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11-28-2007, 05:02 PM
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Re: Man kills 2 People While 911 Is Telling Him Not To
WRT any comparison here to rape, I want to make 2 comments. First, grand larceny and rape are leagues apart. Comparing them is rather silly.
Second, no one (at least with any decency) witnesses a rape in progress, calls 911, give the police 8 minutes, and then decides to help. You help immediately. I might look at what this guy did differently had he witnessed this robbery and said, "Oh s**t! My neighbors are getting robbed. I need to get my gun and try to stop them." Then, at least he was acting in the moment (something I think is being overlooked). He wasn't acting in the moment though. He KNEW calling the cops was the correct thing, and only later did he attempt to get involved out of, what I presume to be, frustration. I'm just finding it hard to believe that, given his numerous comments about shooting them made to the 911 operator, he didn't walk out that door with then intention of killing them to avoid seeing them get away with the "bag of loot." |
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11-28-2007, 05:15 PM
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Re: Man kills 2 People While 911 Is Telling Him Not To
Boris-
No. No one compared the two in terms of the crimes themselves. But there have been rape analogies made, including one from you. All I'm saying is that the two don't belong in the same conversation in any analagous terms, no more than murder and wire fraud need to be discussed in such terms. |
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11-28-2007, 05:10 PM
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Re: Man kills 2 People While 911 Is Telling Him Not To
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ohead - How do you know the man wasn't threatened in some manner by the criminals? You seem kind of prejudiced. [/ QUOTE ] uhm he went out there with the intention to kill the burglars, thats what I call premeditated murder. He could just have stayed in his house and he would've avoided this situation, therefor his action was completely unnecessary . |
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11-28-2007, 05:18 PM
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Re: Man kills 2 People While 911 Is Telling Him Not To
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[ QUOTE ] ohead - How do you know the man wasn't threatened in some manner by the criminals? You seem kind of prejudiced. [/ QUOTE ] uhm he went out there with the intention to kill the burglars, thats what I call premeditated murder. [/ QUOTE ] People planning to commit murder generally don't call the police first. Maybe he was leveling 911. [ QUOTE ] He could just have stayed in his house and he would've avoided this situation, therefor his action was completely unnecessary . [/ QUOTE ] LOL crimeaments. For you, what is the threshold for stopping the criminals? What do they have to be doing in order for you to confront them? Put yourself in this guy's shoes where you have a gun and the police aren't going to get there in time. |
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11-28-2007, 05:19 PM
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Re: Man kills 2 People While 911 Is Telling Him Not To
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He could just have stayed in his house and he would've avoided this situation, therefor his action was completely unnecessary . [/ QUOTE ] Would it then not be murder if the old man went outside unarmed and the thugs shanked him and killed him? |
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11-28-2007, 05:23 PM
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Re: Man kills 2 People While 911 Is Telling Him Not To
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[ QUOTE ] He could just have stayed in his house and he would've avoided this situation, therefor his action was completely unnecessary . [/ QUOTE ] Would it then not be murder if the old man went outside unarmed and the thugs shanked him and killed him? [/ QUOTE ] Why are you trolling this thread so hard? |
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11-28-2007, 05:42 PM
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Re: Man kills 2 People While 911 Is Telling Him Not To
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Why are you trolling this thread so hard? [/ QUOTE ] WTF are you talking about? There were several clowns who said the guy never should have put himself in the dangerous situation. This implies that if the old man was the one who ended up getting hurt, it would have been the old man's fault. |
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11-28-2007, 05:48 PM
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Re: Man kills 2 People While 911 Is Telling Him Not To
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[ QUOTE ] Why are you trolling this thread so hard? [/ QUOTE ] WTF are you talking about? There were several clowns who said the guy never should have put himself in the dangerous situation. This implies that if the old man was the one who ended up getting hurt, it would have been the old man's fault. [/ QUOTE ] It implies no such thing. Obviously the guys who kill him in that spot are morally responsible; equally obviously, putting oneself in that situation unnecessarily is retarded, risky, and likely to lead to outcomes such as this. For that reason the old man should not have done it. As I said earlier in the thread, if I come to your house with a gun to kill you, and you pull a gun on me, I do not get to claim that I only responded in self-defense when I shot you. I think it is very plain from the 911 call that the guy was looking to administer justice, and the bits about protecting himself are ad hoc rationalizations after the fact. "They were in my lawn, I didn't know what was going to happen." Well, you'd already made it clear you were planning on going outside several minutes ago, and that the only thing holding you up was that you didn't know that neighbor that well ("if it was my other neighbor I would have acted already, I know him pretty well.") His self-defense justification is complete [censored]. |
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