HUSNG -- Odd stacks for KQ

[Nichomacheo]

OK, whats the plan here. Looking back at it, I'm not sure at all what to do. My opponent is very aggressive preflop, which is why I'm repopping with KQ here:

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Button (t1630)
Hero (t1370)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Button raises to t150</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t450</font>, Button calls t300.

Flop: (t900) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero ? </font>

Few questions...
1. Like the 3-bet with KQ? Would you change the bet size to make postflop play more manageable?
2. What do I do on this flop? I've committed a decent chunk of my stack. It seems like no matter what I bet, it looks strong. I can try to induce a raise by betting small (~250), but I think its not much better than just shoving and hoping he calls with a weaker hand. Anyone like checking? How does it change if the flop is Kxx?

[daveT]

I like a shove here. I think he will call with a large range thinking that you are pushing on a FD.

I could see betting half the pot here as a good option for hoping to induce a bluff, but I can't really see that, as he would be pretty nuts to essentially min-raise on a bluff. It wouldn't make any sense to bet half the pot as a desperate FD bluff.

[shyturtle27]

You are already putting in a third of your stack with a 3-bet so why not just shove preflop? If he calls and you whiff what then? Shutdown and a be left with 1,000 chips? Even if he calls your shove you get to see all five cards to try to catch a king or queen.

[jay_shark]

I like shoving pre as well . You cannot fold if he were to move you all in after you re-raised him , so you might as well put him to the test now .

[bpmst2]

I would have maybe gone for the stop and go since u are oop and this player as u said is quite aggressive. If you do end up flopping ur K or Q you can then check-raise him all in, since he will so often cont bet hard and over commit himself to the pot. You really can't like him calling your re-raise preflop since you've committed so much of your stack. I think your play here is re-raise all in or stop and go unless u hit. But by re reraising to 450 you are kind of in the dark on flop

[Kalledrengen]

I would certainly shove this against the "right" villain, whom I feel will call such a shove light.
But at the same time I also do not love a shove here too often. Villain has only commited 150 of his 1630 stack, I would hate only getting paid 150 when holding KQ by having him fold preflop.
If the effective stakcs were lower I would be more inclined (correct wording here?) to shove.

To you guys advising shoving, are you shoving most of the times when reaching 25/50? When you face a 3xBB raise with a hand around the same quality as KQo?
Just curious if you stop 3-betting "normally" and starts to fold/shove here already when facing a race and effective stacks are around 1500.

[xSCWx]

I'd do 300 then shove turn.

[lennytheduck]

Bet 400. Call a shove. Shove any turn.

I think an argument can be made for shoving the flop if you havent 3-bet a lot of pots. Villain may think you are getting desparate and will shove with A-high; he may call with low pairs, a jack, and will definitely call with KT, K9 etc.

[ChicagoRy]

I shove preflop against said villain.

[bbbushu]

27 bb's seems like a lot to shove with. against a very aggressive opponent, whats the maximum stack we'll three-bet shove with here holding a hand like KQ or A9?

is it standard to three-bet here preflop at this effective stack to 3x? it gives them 2:1 but that may not be important with shallower stacks.

if we'd three-bet smaller, it'd be easier to bet around 3/5 pot on the flop and then shove the turn. for example, if we three-bet to only 375. we could then divide our remaining stack of 995 into a flop bet of 425 (into a pot of 750) and push the other 570 on the turn (into a pot of 1600). the only hand that can profitably call these bets that we're ahead of is like Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] so it doesn't seem too bad. not that we can predict that we'll flop a strong hand, but planning like this increases the chances we'll get called down by a bad pair and our hand does play great postflop, so if we're gonna give villain 2:1 anyhow, this could be an alternative.

if we'd three-bet larger, we could plan to shove almost any (or perhaps any against this villain) flop. it's a double-edged sword because our shove would be more appropriately-sized in relation to the pot-size, which is a good thing when we hit the flop and a bad thing when we miss it. three-betting preflop to 550 would put 1100 in the pot, with our flop shove being 820 which is a little more than 3/4 pot. against some loose villains, we can also get more money in the pot this way preflop and take it postflop much of the time.

martin