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[partypoker123]

hi another stupid question by me. im curious to what u guys have for BB/100 hands for different levels. also how many hands do full time players see a month? over 100k hands a month too many? is that dropping my BB/100 hand stats? any info on whats attainable or substainable will appreciated

[bbartlog]

I still don't have enough hands for the BB/100 to be stable at a given level (80K hands but no more than 25K at any given level). Overall 2BB/100, 2BB/100 at 0.25, -0.5BB/100 at 0.50, 8BB/100 at $1 ([img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]), loser at $2, winner at $4 (over only a few hands at those levels...). The 0.25 winrate is shameful; I used to beat that game at 11BB/100 (for like the first 15K hands I played it) and then ran like ice for 10K hands.
I don't know about hands per month. It's taken me a year to play 80K hands, but I never play more than 3 tables, and only a few hours in a day. Davebreal has shown some graphs that show 80K hands in a month, but he multitables a lot.
As for attainable winrate, I have no idea - but I would assume that there is an inverse relationship between number of hands played and winrate, for various reasons. I do think a strong player could clear 10BB/100 at the $0.25 game or 6BB/100 at the $1 game, but for higher limits I have no idea. My winrate is certainly not representative of what's possible; I'd guess I'm only around the 85-90th percentile (skillwise) of cash game players at the levels I usually play.

[Truthiness24]

That's actually quite encouraging -- my rates are about the same except way positive at 25 cent and negative at $1 ... but I don't play many hands, so this might be an anomaly.

I show +6BB/100 over 40k hands at all levels, but those numbers are skewed by outrageous wins at the lowest of levels. From what I have seen here, 2BB/100 seems sustainable by the best players, and the game can only be made truly and permanently profitable by a generous rakeback or rebate deal.

I wasn't sure where I stand. This information is encouraging & helpful.

[TheStation]

I think 5-10 PTBB/100 (maybe more) would be attainable by the best players. I dont have my old database but was just looking at my Aug 1 - current date stuff and dont have more than 25k hands on anyone at one limit to really see some good numbers.

I know that last year I was between 5-8 PTBB/100 for the main 4 limits of 1/2 and 2/4 PLO8 and NLO8, that was a sample size of 60,000 hands and I dont consider myself one of the best so I am thinking some could do much better.

Maybe Dave will comment on his long run results as he plays a pretty high number of hands each month.

[MattS]

FWIW, here are my stats. It took me about a year to play these hands:



I want to try out the 1/2 level. Which winrate should I expect at that level and how much better will the average player be there?

[MegaDisgruntled]

If you continue to have a 34 vp and only a 51.67 won at showdown percentage, you will have your butt handed to you.

Mega

[Mendacious]

This is such a complicated question. Almost every player I know that came up through all the limits won over 10bb/100s up to about the $100 level (with some absolutely crazy good bb/100s for the .25 and .50 levels) And that was by simply playing a solid Medium-tight aggressive game. After the $100 level I think there are some great players that sustain between 5-10bb/100s, and many "good" players that can sustain between 2-4 bb/100s, BUT these levels can be demoralizing at times because often the only tables available have 6 or more long-term winning semi-pro players.