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Old 01-09-2007, 02:53 AM
J.A.K. J.A.K. is offline
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All in and its not close; you are precisely behind 2 hands. You have beeen active. End of discussion
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Old 01-09-2007, 03:06 AM
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All in and its not close; you are precisely behind 2 hands. You have beeen active. End of discussion

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He is precisely behind every single pair.
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Old 01-09-2007, 03:09 AM
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All in and its not close; you are precisely behind 2 hands. You have beeen active. End of discussion

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He is precisely behind every single pair.

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At this point are you worrying about 22?
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Old 01-09-2007, 03:11 AM
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No. But you said he's precisely behind 2 hands and that's not accurate. He's behind every single pair. And while there's overlay because of the dead money the stacks seem deep enough that the odds he's getting if he pushes certainly don't make it a clearly +EV decision. It wouldn't be horrible, but it's not clear cut.
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Old 01-09-2007, 03:15 AM
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You are right. The hands he is behind is AA KK and flipping against the rest getttin odds>
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Old 01-09-2007, 07:27 AM
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He is precisely behind every single pair.

[/ QUOTE ]Not from a pot odds perspective.
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Old 01-09-2007, 09:39 AM
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Is a stop-and-go ok here? Hero will be pushing ~8K into an ~12K pot on the flop, so I'm not sure about the FE even against whiffed mid pairs. Not that I mind a push.
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Old 01-09-2007, 10:50 AM
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Default Re: Fold this AK PF?

I think a stop and go is awful here, since villian plays perfectly against it given his reraising range.

If an A or K flops and you move all-in, he folds 10's-QQ's
and calls with AA, KK, AK, and AQ. So AQ is the only spot
you are making any more money.

If no A or K flops and you move all-in, he calls with atleast an overpair to board. You only get AK, AQ to fold
and given 2.5 to 1 pot odds, you might even get called by AK
since he's 3 to 1 against QQ or less- thus splitting the pot.

Stop and go works best when you can make a better hand fold
on the flop that wouldn't fold to a pre-flop AI. That's not the case here.
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Old 01-09-2007, 06:18 PM
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Is a stop-and-go ok here? Hero will be pushing ~8K into an ~12K pot on the flop, so I'm not sure about the FE even against whiffed mid pairs. Not that I mind a push.

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A stop and go works only if you're first to act on the flop. That's not the case here.
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Old 01-09-2007, 06:17 PM
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He is precisely behind every single pair.

[/ QUOTE ]Not from a pot odds perspective.

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Of course, but that wasn't what he said.
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