ATs hand

joker122 · #1 10-15-2007, 03:11 AM

co is TeamMCO, btn is doughnutz.

stars 50/100 a while ago.

co opens, btn 3bets, i cap in the bb w/ AcTc.

flop 77J w/ 1 club, i bet, co raises, btn calls, i call.

turn is an A, putting 2 hearts up.

plan for turn and river?

NMcNasty · #2 10-15-2007, 04:14 PM

Bet and call down as long as you dont face two to you. Both players are capable of playing that flop like that with a lot of weak holdings, and they can both semibluff or free-showdown the turn so I'm not comfortable pitching my ace in such a large pot. Check-calling down is definitely too weak. Check-raising might be good but I still wouldn't want to risk free cards in such a large pot even though they probably only have 2-4 outs.

JustZak · #3 10-15-2007, 04:36 PM

I agree that check calling down would be too weak here, but I'm not sure what kind of hands would semibluff or free-showdown the turn on this board given that we cold capped preflop. I would expect to almost never be good here if we get raised after betting the turn.

NMcNasty · #4 10-15-2007, 05:05 PM

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I agree that check calling down would be too weak here, but I'm not sure what kind of hands would semibluff or free-showdown the turn on this board given that we cold capped preflop. I would expect to almost never be good here if we get raised after betting the turn.

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After thinking about it some more I can't really think of much either, but both opponents are fairly unpredictable. Maybe they show up with 8hTh or A9 (backdoor flush) somehow. It just doesn't feel right to fold vs those opponents with those odds. Are you really bet/folding there?

JustZak · #5 10-15-2007, 05:21 PM

I agree against these opponents I'd be extra hesitant to fold in this big pot. But the texture of this board is such that I think it would probably be correct to bet/fold this turn. I admit that in practice I would end up stubbornly calling down when raised on the turn often, and as I'm thinking about it right now I just think it's wrong even against these two opponents. Despite both of them being a bit unpredictable this just isn't a spot where either one should have an ace we chop with or any kind of semi bluffing hand besides maybe T9, T8 and 98 of hearts.

baronzeus · #6 10-15-2007, 06:04 PM

i personally would be checking this turn and calling a bet

Hock_ · #7 10-15-2007, 07:02 PM

This is a really interesting hand actually (and I can't wait to find out what happened -- I have no idea). Given this particular board and the preflop action I wouldn't be too worried about draws. And you could well be way behind JJ or AK or A7s or something. Plus there's an outside chance that a lagtard like doughnutz would semi-bluff bet this turn if it gets checked to him. So I think I'd vote to check/call down.

gaming_mouse · #8 10-16-2007, 12:11 AM

I know this isnt the point of the post, but is PF standard for you?

EDIT: Also, wtf does does doughnutz have after the flop cc? JTs, JQ, JK, AJ?

Lestat · #9 10-16-2007, 01:45 AM

c/r turn, lead river. What else is there?

Lestat · #10 10-16-2007, 01:47 AM

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i personally would be checking this turn and calling a bet

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Why check/call after making your hand??