100nl: 150bb's deep, top two

pattay · #1 11-21-2007, 02:32 AM

villain is a random. he called the flop and turn without hesitation. im running at 14/10/3, but most likely this guy doesnt know/care

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saw flop|saw showdown

Button ($190.30)
Hero ($159.70)
BB ($110.20)
UTG ($146.40)
UTG+1 ($100)
MP1 ($138.70)
MP2 ($51.20)
CO ($100)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG raises to $4, 5 folds, Hero calls $3.50, 1 fold.

Flop: ($9) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $7, Hero raises to $20, UTG calls $13.

Turn: ($49) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $32, UTG calls $32.

River: ($113) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero ?

SABR42 · #2 11-21-2007, 02:36 AM

More on flop/turn.

Shove river.

Berge20 · #3 11-21-2007, 02:51 AM

Yeh, that river changes nothing. He either flopped a set or he's got AK and can't release (or AQ too).

If he's calling that quick, shove--although you guys still have ~100 behind. Sure it's a PSB, but I might valuetown for 50.

CalledDownLight · #4 11-21-2007, 02:54 AM

sabr and berge, did you miss the 3 flush, am I seeing things that aren't there, or do you just not care that the third club came? I suck at these spots. Sometimes I c/c, sometime c/f.

Berge20 · #5 11-21-2007, 02:58 AM

KcQc is the most likely FD, but I'm discounting it here.

pattay · #6 11-21-2007, 03:07 AM

berge, and anyone else; say the queen was a club and the ace was a heart...is your play different?

Berge20 · #7 11-21-2007, 03:11 AM

That changes the possiblity of him having the AcXc for TP with FD.

Still the desire (even more) to raise more on the flop, bet more on turn. I don't know if that's enough for us to go from betting river to Check-calling or not. Probably.

EPiPeN11 · #8 11-21-2007, 03:12 AM

I disagree with most of this thread. The villan could raise with any suited connector, or heck any 2 suited cards in general. A flush is def possible for the villan.

Not only is a flush possible, but because the flush came, the chances that he pays you off with worse decreases dramatically because it came.

You also def need to bet size a lot better on the flop because you are deeper than 100bb. You should make the flop raise at least 30, in order to build the pot for later streets so you can eventually get your stack in by the river if the flush doesn't come, or even if it does because the villan will be much more pot committed that he will talk himself into a call more often than not with worse.

osh · #9 11-21-2007, 03:15 AM

Call me stupid, but I never ever call with AQ. I would either raise to 14 there or fold. But, on other hand, maybe I am on that period in life, that with unnecessary agression I try to hide my inner problems [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

AS played - terrible spot. If you check and bets 70->, you can't call. So, either c/f or bet 100.

EPiPeN11 · #10 11-21-2007, 03:18 AM

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Call me stupid, but I never ever call with AQ. I would either raise to 14 there or fold. But, on other hand, maybe I am on that period in life, that with unnecessary agression I try to hide my inner problems [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

AS played - terrible spot. If you check and bets 70->, you can't call. So, either c/f or bet 100.

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I disagree again. Although this is a spot where he is very unlikley to valuebet worse if checked to, this is a spot where a ton of villans love to either bluff or turn their hand into a bluff if you check it to them. I think a case can def be made for check/calling here as played. However like I said above, you should have betsized better so you could push by the river without leaving yourself in a tough spot with a good amount of your stack left behind.