General and fairly common situation

[Fiksdal]

When you see a 3-way flop in position against two opponents and you are the preflop raiser, they both check to you on both the flop and turn. In this situation you can usually take a profitable 3/4 pot stab at the pot with ATC.

If that was messy, here is a typical hand that fits the criterias:

6 handed, 100bb stacks

Hero is CO with 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
2 folds, Hero raises to 4bb, BTN folds, SB calls 3.5bb, BB calls 3bb.

Flop: (12bb) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: (12bb) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets 9bbs

What I think, based on experience, is that in situations like this one, where you are the preflop raiser, chose not to cbet the flop into two villains (for whatever reason you might have), but then they both check to you again on the turn, then the pot is usually for you to take down. You can't stab at the flop as profitably, because on the flop they could have TPTK/two pair/set or a lot of strong hands that they check to the PFR to induce a cbet. However, if they have something on the flop and it checks through, they usually reason that the turn is the time to bet. Once they check again on the turn, it usually means that they don't have much at all IMO.

Discuss.

[Fiksdal]

Hand I played just now:

Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.50/$1 Blinds - 3 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $88.00
BB: $100.00
Hero (BTN): $112.00

Preflop: Hero is dealt A 5 (3 Players)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $4.00</font>, SB calls $3.50, BB calls $3.00

Flop: ($12) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7 2 (3 Players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($12) 2 (3 Players)
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $8.50</font>, 2 folds

Pot Size: $20.50

[DaycareInferno]

in both of those, the board pairs low, so i'd say that your bluff there is a lot better than it normally would be.

[TheRenaissance]

this is standard.
can also be applied to limped pots with certain flop textures.
ie:
no one checks with TP on a T52r flop.

[Fiksdal]

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in both of those, the board pairs low, so i'd say that your bluff there is a lot better than it normally would be.

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fwiw I think when this pattern occurs, the stab is a good play pretty much regardless of the board.

[TheRenaissance]

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in both of those, the board pairs low, so i'd say that your bluff there is a lot better than it normally would be.

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good point, but i still think you can bluff in profitably in these hands with other blank turn cards, especially hand 2. hand 1 id be more careful/do it less often with the fdraw out there. in general you should only try this on drawless boards.

[wslee00]

i'd personally just c-bet the flop on hand 2 since it's most likely not hit any of your two opponents.

[tripdeuces]

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i'd personally just c-bet the flop on hand 2 since it's most likely not hit any of your two opponents.

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But alot of villains hit draws on that board given a bunch of different combo hands not to mention made hands that check raise the preflop raiser

[Perk76]

Fiksdal,

I do the same thing very often. Occasionally I do it also when I hit the flop, which makes it believable if your trying to keep the pot relatively controlled and not get blown off your hand.

Make sure your telling a consistant story though when doing so. In your two examples, I believe you need to bet the flop in hand 1 rather than turn if you want your hand to be believable, since its drawy. No way would you check a legitamate hand there. In your second example, there could be alot of hands that you wouldnt necessarily have to protect against, and it would be more believable betting the turn.

I think most people understand that you can bet at pots in late position when everyone checks through on both streets. I dont know statistically the success rate of tossing a bet out in that spot, but guessing I would think its gonna at least be 2/3 of the time successfull.

[corsakh]

Ehhh... Standard? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] Its called delayed cbet.