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Old 08-10-2007, 09:27 AM
skibbel skibbel is offline
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Default NL50SH, TT gets c/r

Villiabn 15/7/1.12/19 400 hands, cr flop 1/30, flop af 1.2.

Is this a flop fold?


NL50SH Stars

BB ($90.30)
UTG ($54.25)
MP ($192)
CO ($23.30)
Hero ($64.45)
SB ($58.15)

Preflop: Hero is Button with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. MP posts a blind of $0.75.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP (poster) checks, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2.5</font>, SB calls $2.25, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP folds.

Flop: ($6.25) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $3.5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $10.5</font>, Hero ???
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Old 08-10-2007, 10:55 AM
orig!naL orig!naL is offline
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Default Re: NL50SH, TT gets c/r

I typically find when a tight player does this its either a big PP or a set. I would probably just fold here. He could have 55-99 here, but I doubt it, and he doesn't have AK here.

edit: i should add a little more insight to why.. when you raise pf, get called by a tight player who C/R you on a pretty dry board, it's usually a very strong hand (PP or set)
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Old 08-10-2007, 10:57 AM
Go_BroKe Go_BroKe is offline
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Default Re: NL50SH, TT gets c/r

call, and reevaluate turn. you are IP. A fold would be very weak. If he checks turn, I'm gonna bet. If he bets the turn I'm gonna muck my hand.
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Old 08-10-2007, 12:15 PM
Perk76 Perk76 is offline
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Default Re: NL50SH, TT gets c/r

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I typically find when a tight player does this its either a big PP or a set. I would probably just fold here. He could have 55-99 here, but I doubt it, and he doesn't have AK here.

edit: i should add a little more insight to why.. when you raise pf, get called by a tight player who C/R you on a pretty dry board, it's usually a very strong hand (PP or set)

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Calling is not quite a valid option here. If you think your tens are still good, its in all likely because you think mid pair or flush draw. Too many bad cards can come off on this turn that you would definately give up. So calling and giving up would be spew.

This is one of those spots where I think you can fold to the flop c/r and not feel real bad about it. I folded 1010 yesterday almost in this exact situation. I am not wanting to play a large pot with 1010 here.
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Old 08-10-2007, 12:33 PM
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Default Re: NL50SH, TT gets c/r

Just don't fold, villain is a bit nitty but very likely having an overpair. Might be any A too, figuring that you rarely hit that flop. Calling will ruin your action against moron having 66 although this guy might be able to fold it to a raise anyway. Also, what would be a nice card on turn? Even if we pair the board, draws could get more timid. So I guess we should shove here..?
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Old 08-10-2007, 01:25 PM
tripdeuces tripdeuces is offline
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Default Re: NL50SH, TT gets c/r

With stats like that at a 6 max table this appears to be a fold.
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Old 08-10-2007, 01:27 PM
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Default Re: NL50SH, TT gets c/r

I would have bet more on the flop. As played, it's tough. It could be a set scared of the flush/straight draws, or it could be an overpair trying to get you to fold overcards. Personally that's what I'd lean towards and I'd probably push, but it's close.
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Old 08-10-2007, 03:33 PM
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Default Re: NL50SH, TT gets c/r

I think the problem in this hand is your flop cbet size. I would feel a lot more comfortable folding to the cr if I had cb say $5. And a bet that size is still getting called by lots of worse hands, offers worse drawing odds, and makes villain less likely to pull a move.

So I think the cb size kinda distorts the rest of the hand so it's very hard to judge what villain is up to. But I'd probably fold as played.
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