~~~ OFFICIAL YANKEES 2007 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS OR BUST THREAD ~~~

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thayer -

i think you have to drop this one. almost no manager uses their closer the way you suggest. it's unfortunate that the 'save' has created this mess - but there it is. really it comes down to money.

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thats the way francona uses papelbon, more or less. last game, for example, in a 3 run game w/ vlad guerrero up and men on 1st and 3rd in the 8th (1 out), he brought on papelbon to get vlad to k and a flyout from (hillebrand? i forget), and brought in timlin for the 9th

relief ace > closer

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the yankees would win SOOOO MANY MORE GAMES if they used rivera as a relief ace... but obviously theres no way

[kolotoure]

Francona is the only manager I know of that uses his best bullpen arm anywhere near correctly

[THAY3R]

You guys are giving Francona way too much credit here if you think he's the reason palps is being used that way.

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You guys are giving Francona way too much credit here if you think he's the reason palps is being used that way.

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well obviously its because everyone else sucks, but at least he's not pitching timlin in the eighth to serve up the game tying hr to vlad, "saving" paps for the 3 run lead save vs. the angels 6-7-8 hitters in the ninth

[THAY3R]

I'm saying that decision is recommended by the front office, it isn't Francona's idea.

[zer0]

oh...right. that too.

its not like he's a dummy though, he does a weekly radio show in boston and explains very clearly (almost weekly) why the red sox don't bunt more or don't try to steal more often, or why youkilis was the leadoff man last year.

if its all a script for him, he's good at being a front office robot. at least he gets it.

[g-bebe]

Ugly way to lose a game, but you guys really need to get off Torre's back about not using Rivera. There are more important times to use him, and not so important times. Clearly, even when you're 2 up with the first two retired in the bottom of the ninth, even Rivera isn't a sure lock to win a game.

It's pretty brutal to walk Kendall and give up a 3-run bomb to Scutaro.

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Ugly way to lose a game, but you guys really need to get off Torre's back about not using Rivera. There are more important times to use him, and not so important times. Clearly, even when you're 2 up with the first two retired in the bottom of the ninth, even Rivera isn't a sure lock to win a game.

It's pretty brutal to walk Kendall and give up a 3-run bomb to Scutaro.

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That 9th inning made me PUKE.

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Moose and Pavano go on DL

[hedxcold]

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thayer -

i think you have to drop this one. almost no manager uses their closer the way you suggest. it's unfortunate that the 'save' has created this mess - but there it is. really it comes down to money.

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thats the way francona uses papelbon, more or less. last game, for example, in a 3 run game w/ vlad guerrero up and men on 1st and 3rd in the 8th (1 out), he brought on papelbon to get vlad to k and a flyout from (hillebrand? i forget), and brought in timlin for the 9th

relief ace > closer

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he took papelbon out for the 9th because the red sox scored 6 runs in the bottom of the 8th

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