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#12
10-20-2007, 09:19 PM
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Re: help settle debate on timing tells
I'm not sure about NL as I have less experience there but in LHE a rapid call tends to be a sign of weakness - the caller is consciously or unconsciously trying to make you think bluffing the next street is hopeless. 
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#13
10-20-2007, 09:28 PM
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Re: help settle debate on timing tells
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I'm not sure about NL as I have less experience there but in LHE a rapid call tends to be a sign of weakness - the caller is consciously or unconsciously trying to make you think bluffing the next street is hopeless. [/ QUOTE ] shh
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#14
10-20-2007, 10:40 PM
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Re: help settle debate on timing tells
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I'm not sure about NL as I have less experience there but in LHE a rapid call tends to be a sign of weakness - the caller is consciously or unconsciously trying to make you think bluffing the next street is hopeless. [/ QUOTE ] in lhe, bluffing the next street is hopeless
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#15
10-20-2007, 11:02 PM
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Re: help settle debate on timing tells
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[ QUOTE ] I'm not sure about NL as I have less experience there but in LHE a rapid call tends to be a sign of weakness - the caller is consciously or unconsciously trying to make you think bluffing the next street is hopeless. [/ QUOTE ] in lhe, bluffing the next street is hopeless [/ QUOTE ] How did you think the word "value-bluff" exists [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]
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#16
10-20-2007, 11:29 PM
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Re: help settle debate on timing tells
There really isn't much to debate; timing tells are definitely viable, although highly subjective and player-dependent. In this specific case, I think RR'd pots throw off the standard timing tells dynamic for most players, as they often think more, hollywood more, etc, so I don't think your timing read adds much to your bluff value, especially barring significant history with the player.
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#17
10-21-2007, 01:12 PM
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Re: help settle debate on timing tells
I definitely think its a mistake to assume that he had a weak hand because he took a while. He might have been trying to figure out how to get the most value from his monster..
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#18
10-21-2007, 01:24 PM
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Re: help settle debate on timing tells
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There really isn't much to debate; timing tells are definitely viable, although highly subjective and player-dependent. [/ QUOTE ] this is spot on. there are tons of players who snap call when theyre on a weak made hand/drawing, and tons of players who do the same with the nuts (nuts meaning they fully intend to call the next street(s))
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#20
10-21-2007, 04:37 PM
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Re: help settle debate on timing tells
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as a general rule, quick calls from a villain mean they want to get to showdown, or free card. I'm much more apt to dbl barrel a turn, or 3rd barrel if I'm quick called. If he takes his time, I generally think he has a strong hand and is thinking of best way to get value, or what have you...before he makes his action. Of course, eventual reads and [censored] change this some... but that's my general rule of hu. Quick call = weak hand, drawing hand, wants free showdown. Delay call = strongish hand, made hand, etc. I've played a lot of HU, but this last summer I've really noticed this more/payed more attention to... and put in the most amount of hands I have at hu play, near 160k. [/ QUOTE ] I definitely agree. Quick calls from an opponent generally mean they're hoping to slow the bettor down and get to showdown as cheap as possible imo.
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