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Old 09-24-2007, 05:15 AM
billybeartku billybeartku is offline
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Default NL 100, KQh flopped flush against two LAGs, how to extract the max/

UTG is very aggro, 34/25 out of about 150 hands, How would you guys play this hand differently to extract the most value? I think I bet too heavy on the turn

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (5 handed) by Hand Converter CG

MP ($75.60)
Hero ($181.35)
SB ($99)
BB ($109.10)
UTG ($148.10)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $3</font>, MP calls $3, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $14</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG calls $11, MP calls $11.

Flop: ($43.50) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets $5</font>, Hero calls $5, UTG calls $5.

Turn: ($58.50) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
UTG checks, MP checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $45</font>, UTG folds, MP folds.

Final Pot: $103.50
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Old 09-24-2007, 05:28 AM
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Default Re: NL 100, KQh flopped flush against two LAGs, how to extract the max

I'd raise the flop and hope one of them has a set, twopair or the lone Ah in which case all the money should go in on the flop.
Slowplaying is dumb, any [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] will kill your action and any 3, 9 or T might slow you down, too. Of course there's not much to extract in case UTG has a hand like A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] so you don't consider those cases.
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Old 09-24-2007, 05:39 AM
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Default Re: NL 100, KQh flopped flush against two LAGs, how to extract the max

Even loose players will not have a hand to pay you off every time.

Just raise the flop because so many turn cards can kill your action.
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Old 09-24-2007, 06:41 PM
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Default Re: NL 100, KQh flopped flush against two LAGs, how to extract the max

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Old 09-24-2007, 07:02 PM
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Default Re: NL 100, KQh flopped flush against two LAGs, how to extract the max

raise flop
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Old 09-24-2007, 08:11 PM
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Default Re: NL 100, KQh flopped flush against two LAGs, how to extract the max

agreed, raise the flop.
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Old 09-24-2007, 08:19 PM
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Default Re: NL 100, KQh flopped flush against two LAGs, how to extract the max

I'm just calling preflop.

Raise the flop.
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Old 09-24-2007, 08:23 PM
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Default Re: NL 100, KQh flopped flush against two LAGs, how to extract the max

i don't like pre-flop, we have position, and our hand plays fine multi-way. also, bloating the pot makes it tougher to get away from top pair hands

raise flop for value, and because there are quite a few cards on the turn that slow down our action.
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Old 09-24-2007, 08:26 PM
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Default Re: NL 100, KQh flopped flush against two LAGs, how to extract the max

Disagree with all those saying preflop is bad, I think this is a good hand to squeeze with if villains are over aggressive (which UTG is). If MP is a station and will likely call your three bet, I think just calling preflop is fine, however.

Raise flop, though...as others have said lots of stuff kills your action.
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Old 09-24-2007, 08:28 PM
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Default Re: NL 100, KQh flopped flush against two LAGs, how to extract the max

[ QUOTE ]
Disagree with all those saying preflop is bad, I think this is a good hand to squeeze with if villains are over aggressive (which UTG is).

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i'd like the squeeze more if the aggressive player opened from say, the CO. his UTG open range is likely way tighter than from late position.

i'm not saying we never take the pot down if we squeeze when he's opening UTG, but the risk is higher, and I really wanna see a flop w/KQs.
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