NL 25 calling pf raises with small pairs?

[FreshMeat]

no reads on villian

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.10/$0.25 Blinds - 9 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

Hero (SB): $39.40
BB: $17.55
UTG: $15.35
UTG+1: $23.15
MP1: $2.35
MP2: $29.00
MP3: $4.75
CO: $17.95
BTN: $14.25

Preflop: Hero is dealt 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (9 Players)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $1.25</font>, 8 folds

Pot Size: $1.60

should i have called? i just wonder if what i did was correct or if it didnt matter either way?

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.10/$0.25 Blinds - 9 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $12.75
BB: $6.15
UTG: $23.30
UTG+1: $11.30
MP1: $15.60
MP2: $6.50
Hero (MP3): $27.10
CO: $4.15
BTN: $26.50

Preflop: Hero is dealt 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (9 Players)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $1.00</font>, 3 folds, Hero calls $1.00, CO folds, <font color="red">BTN raises to $3.00</font>, 2 folds, UTG calls $2.00, Hero calls $2.00

right?


Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.10/$0.25 Blinds - 9 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

Hero (SB): $30.50
BB: $5.25
UTG: $17.90
UTG+1: $19.60
MP1: $24.80
MP2: $31.30
MP3: $14.75
CO: $29.60
BTN: $41.75

Preflop: Hero is dealt 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (9 Players)
UTG calls $0.25, 4 folds, CO calls $0.25, BTN calls $0.25, Hero calls $0.15, <font color="red">BB raises to $2.00</font>, UTG folds, CO calls $1.75, BTN folds, Hero calls $1.75

bad?

how much is too much to call pf? what implied odds should i be looking for 9 to 1, 12 to 1, 15 to 1???

[Landlord79]

1. is close but okay
2. &amp; 3. look good for calls.

I try to stay under 10% of the stacks. If you're multiway, then you have more chances of stacking someone w/ your set, so that should induce you to call even more.

[AlexB182]

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1. is close but okay
2. &amp; 3. look good for calls.

I try to stay under 10% of the stacks. If you're multiway, then you have more chances of stacking someone w/ your set, so that should induce you to call even more.

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It's very important that the PF raisers have stacks as big as possible, don't call a PF raise by SSer with a small PP. Additionally, I prefer calling PF raises with small PPs (or SCs sometimes) when I m pretty sure pot is going to be at least three way...

[umaine89]

I'm looking for 10-1 to call with small pocket pairs. Mutiway is better, as landlord pointed out, because there is a higher possibility that someone will catch somthing to pay you off.

[ship_it_trebek]

It's nice to know how easy villain stacks off with an overpair. In both of your hands, it seems that villain has a high pair most of the time, due to the UTG raise, and the BB raising OOP after limpers so it's easier to get stack and worth the odds when you hit your set.

[MadMike]

#1 is meh because you're OOP and max impled odds are 11:1. I'd actually fold without a read.

#2 is close but a call because reraise means he's probably got something that will be good enough to stack off with if he's got the overpair vs. you flopping a set. Just don't stackoff on a 7-high flop. Also 3 players, and PF Reraise will have to put in a hefty c-bet and is much more likely to be pot-commited with any reasonable 1-pair TP hand. If this were HU it would be a fold.

#3 is a fold because the PFraiser is a shortstack.


In general, I think people call with PP's OOP vs. raise too much. I'd not want to be putting in more than 5% of my effective stack to play a PP OOP- assuming you're looking to win only with a set and not by outplaying on flop/ setting up bluff.

In position, the opportunity to win by floating or other trickery that doesn't involve flopping a set means calling a PFR with a PP is a better proposition.

[FreshMeat]

so limping in with 22-TT EP MP is no good or???

[mvdgaag]

#1 = just ok
#2 = fine, need to hit a set though
#3 = depends on CO. BB is too short and if CO is not likely to continue postflop this is no call.


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so limping in with 22-TT EP MP is no good or???

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yeah, I like... if you are likely to see a cheap flop or call a raise from a big stack that gives you odds for a set. From middle position and late position I like to raise them and play them to steal. If your opponents are observant limp/calling from EP and getting agressive postflop is too transparent. You'll have to either limp/call some other hands or stop limping them. If you can't limp/call some other hands EP and still make enough profit from the small pairs you are ok, but often it's just better to fold them.

Anyone agree/disagree on this last? I don't know what the common thoughs on this are here at 2+2, fullring...

[Sounded Simple]

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so limping in with 22-TT EP MP is no good or???

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At NL25 I raise just about every PP first in any position. I will limp behind limpers mostly but I will raise limpers if the situation is right.

Im never open folding 66-TT at FR.

Looking at PT stats all PP (except 77) show a profit for me over 40,000 hands.
Caveat - thats a small sample and Id also like to hear how everyone else approaches small pairs in EP.

As for being OOP wont a small-med pair suffer less from being OOP than say AK making TP or a suited connector making a draw?

[mvdgaag]

Yes, small pairs don't suffer that much from position postflop, because you either flop a strong hand or can get away easilly. Though it's a bit easyer to convince your opponents to put their money in when you have position sometimes. Also if you choose to raise them they suffer more from being OOP, because your cbetting won't be that effective.