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#31
10-25-2007, 02:03 PM
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Re: Some bluffs!
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1. if hes good he snap calls with a K 2. 99% sure he checkraised allin here. [/ QUOTE ] gimmenutz doesn't even snap call a K there - note that villain cannot see hero's cards. 
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#32
10-25-2007, 02:06 PM
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Re: Some bluffs!
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[ QUOTE ] 1. if hes good he snap calls with a K 2. 99% sure he checkraised allin here. [/ QUOTE ] gimmenutz doesn't even snap call a K there - note that villain cannot see hero's cards. [/ QUOTE ] note..I'm so drunk and would call any of hero's [censored]. note 2. Upon looking at it it is an OK bluff....... FOR ME TO POOP ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
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#33
10-25-2007, 02:19 PM
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Re: Some bluffs!
lol, its like 1pm
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#35
10-25-2007, 02:52 PM
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Re: Some bluffs!
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i love hand 1, f the haters. hand 2 is pretty abysmal, i find myself getting cr'd every time in that spot on the turn. unless he is a total tagfish retard you are getting called and you are way behind obv, and he can always c/r with a draw here. [/ QUOTE ] exactly my thoughts
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#36
10-25-2007, 04:04 PM
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Re: Some bluffs!
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now: i already know the results since you are so vehemently defending this play, but it is a [censored] terrible play to donk out on the flop, call a raise, and c/f turn. so much of your range are bluffs in that spot - you're not floating with hands that can't stand any heat, you are raising with them. furthermore, if he has a weakish hand, wouldn't he at least want to call your c-bet or c/r it, rather than donking out into the flop and making NOTHING on the occasions you just give up? so as i said, unless he is a terrible tagfish who can't think ahead, you should be c/r'd ai a fair amount here super wide, and yes, some of that will include draws. [/ QUOTE ] I get what you're saying now, but not many players will bet/call this particular flop with anything but a marginalish hand, maaaaybe a draw but he probably wants to bet/3bet that? I mean, if he bet/calls this flop in general we can assume he probably isn't very good. I just don't think he will bet/call this flop with two pair or better, so unless he turned two pair his range is basically one pair and draws on the turn, and a strong turn bet should fold out that range often. That's how I feel anyways.
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#37
10-25-2007, 07:51 PM
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Re: Some bluffs!
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i love hand 1, f the haters. hand 2 is pretty abysmal, i find myself getting cr'd every time in that spot on the turn. unless he is a total tagfish retard you are getting called and you are way behind obv, and he can always c/r with a draw here. [/ QUOTE ] Triumph, perhaps you could comment more on why you love hand 1. From my view: a) it seems hero is repping a very small range. 88, KQ, JT (QQ, KK, AA, AK, etc., would seemingly RR pf); b) given that villain called turn, it seems like he has a decent made hand; c) the flush draw missed. You add all these together and I think its a recipe for villain calling w/ any A, and often a K. I mean really - what monsters are we supposed to have here given pf action? And on missed flush draws - people love to look you up. Hand 2 seems ok, if this guy is capable of folding an A.
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#38
10-25-2007, 09:47 PM
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Re: Some bluffs!
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[ QUOTE ] i love hand 1, f the haters. hand 2 is pretty abysmal, i find myself getting cr'd every time in that spot on the turn. unless he is a total tagfish retard you are getting called and you are way behind obv, and he can always c/r with a draw here. [/ QUOTE ] Triumph, perhaps you could comment more on why you love hand 1. From my view: a) it seems hero is repping a very small range. 88, KQ, JT (QQ, KK, AA, AK, etc., would seemingly RR pf); b) given that villain called turn, it seems like he has a decent made hand; c) the flush draw missed. You add all these together and I think its a recipe for villain calling w/ any A, and often a K. I mean really - what monsters are we supposed to have here given pf action? And on missed flush draws - people love to look you up. Hand 2 seems ok, if this guy is capable of folding an A. [/ QUOTE ] I think the fact that people's ranges are so tight here is a mistake, and that's about all I'll say.
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#39
10-25-2007, 10:27 PM
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Re: Some bluffs!
Good discussion so far, time for results I suppose.
In hand one, villain folded. However, I changed my hole cards in this particular hand, one of them anyways. The 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] was actually the 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], so I had bottom set. I've recently been experimenting with taking passive flop lines with big hands on draw heavy boards against capable regulars because people will never put you on a big hand, and as a result will often double barrell with air and their marginal hands, and when raised on the turn after villain calls the flop on a drawy board, they will often interpret it as a semibluff and stack off light or rebluff with a draw of their own. Hand 2 villain folded as well, and my hole cards were unaltered for this one.
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