Q7s MONSTER hand

[JDalla]

Five players

Hero is in the BB with Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

Button raises, SB folds, Hero calls.

Flop: Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]5 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

Hero checkraises, Button calls.

Turn: Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

Hero bets, Button raises, Hero calls.

River: 4 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

Hero checks, Button bets, Hero calls.


Who thinks Heros should put in more action somewhere this hand? (no opponent reads)

[Catt]

I do!

[Scary_Tiger]

3-bet the turn silly.

[milesdyson]

this always comes up. it's kind of hard to find the 67% w/o adding some pretty weird hands that call the 3-bet and call the river.

[Scary_Tiger]

P.S. I didn't see the flush draw (that we have one) and I don't think it matters.

Board: Qc 8d 5d Qs
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 20.250% 18.15% 02.10% 1110 128.50 { KK+, JJ-55, AdKd, AQs, AdJd, AdTd, Ad9d, A8s, Ad7d, Ad6d, A5s, Ad4d, Ad3d, Ad2d, KQs, KdJd, KdTd, Kd9d, K8s, Kd7d, Kd6d, K5s, Q5s+, JdTd, Jd9d, Jd8d, Jd7d, Td9d, Td8d, 76s, AQo, A8o, A5o, KQo, K8o, K5o, Q7o+ }
Hand 1: 79.750% 77.65% 02.10% 4749 128.50 { Qd7d }

Board: Qc 8d 5d Qs
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 23.259% 21.08% 02.18% 1308 135.00 { KK+, JJ-55, AdKd, AQs, AdJd, AdTd, Ad9d, A8s, Ad7d, Ad6d, A5s, Ad4d, Ad3d, Ad2d, KQs, KdJd, KdTd, Kd9d, K8s, Kd7d, Kd6d, K5s, Q5s+, JdTd, Jd9d, Jd8d, Jd7d, Td9d, Td8d, 76s, AQo, A8o, A5o, KQo, K8o, K5o, Q7o+ }
Hand 1: 76.741% 74.56% 02.18% 4626 135.00 { Qc7c, Qh7h, Qs7s }

[JDalla]

Ok so I didn't really play this hand, it was Stoxtrader... directly from the "hands with Stox" section of his book. I tend to agree with Scary Tiger on this one, hence I posted the hand.

[stoxtrader]

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3-bet the turn silly.

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It's not an easy hand, but 3 betting the turn can sometimes produce the negative outcome of:

A) getting a worse hand that is drawing dead or near dead to fold

B) allowing a better hand that has you drawing thin to dead to 4 bet

weigh this (weighted average bets*frequency) against getting value from worse hands, INCLUDING all possible river actions, and I think my line here is strong.

[Freganism]

I second stox line here. Our hand is so well defined that we need to have a good read that opponent is going for a free card, to 3-bet turn. Aggressive or not is not that big factor to base our decision on.

[sonartec]

surely villain in this hand will be free show down raising with a hell of alot of his range here, i bet/call the river.

[baronzeus]

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3-bet the turn silly.

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It's not an easy hand, but 3 betting the turn can sometimes produce the negative outcome of:

A) getting a worse hand that is drawing dead or near dead to fold

B) allowing a better hand that has you drawing thin to dead to 4 bet

weigh this (weighted average bets*frequency) against getting value from worse hands, INCLUDING all possible river actions, and I think my line here is strong.

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pretty much perfect advice here

i strongly advocate just calling here on the turn