Sign Language at the Table - Nitty?

[ATrebek]

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This thread continues to amaze me.

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Why is this? Is it acceptable for two players to pass written notes to each other when one is in the hand and the other isn't? Signing is essentially the same thing unless everyone at the table can understand it.

For the record, it was a great game and there were no signs of collusion so I let it go. If the stakes were higher and/or I suspected information was being passed I wouldn't have had a problem saying something.

Your first post in this thread is probably the most useless post in B&M in a while, btw.

[OutOfCrown]

I've played in a lot of games with deaf players. A few things to note: first, there are more people than you might expect who know ASL (or enough of it to follow poker talk). Deaf players using sign language to cheat are not going to get away with that for very long. Doesn't mean some stupid deaf players might not try it, but I suspect (based on my experience) that in general most deaf people are well aware of how much of the hearing population can follow signing.

The players I know don't sign during a hand unless it is for clarification purposes -- like: is that one oversized chip out there a call or a raise? or "how much was that bet?" etc.

They can't tell what YOU are saying either. For that matter, when I'm in seat 8 and seats 1&2 are having a quiet conversation between hands, I can't hear that... maybe the poker table should be run like Parliament and the only person you can talk to is the dealer.

"Mr Dealer, I would like to state for the record that, with all due respect, the Right Honorable player in seat 8 is a donkey"

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Were they signing in English or ASL? If it was ASL, you should have asked them to sign in English. It would be an interesting ADA action if they were told by the floor to stop.

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IN the past I have worked for a casino that determined there was no ADA liability got not allowing signing during the hand that it in no way interferred with their ability to play in the casino.

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This thread continues to amaze me.

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Your first post in this thread is probably the most useless post in B&M in a while, btw.

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Thank you. I piss excellence and enjoy being cryptic. It gets me into trouble. It's not the bulk of this thread that amazes me, it's the "Were they signing ASL or English?" and the "demand and interpreter" posts that are gold.

[Phat Mack]

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It's not the bulk of this thread that amazes me, it's the "Were they signing ASL or English?" and the "demand and interpreter" posts that are gold.

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ty. Hime "F"-on-chin Hime.

[PantsOnFire]

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I've played in a lot of games with deaf players. A few things to note: first, there are more people than you might expect who know ASL (or enough of it to follow poker talk). Deaf players using sign language to cheat are not going to get away with that for very long. Doesn't mean some stupid deaf players might not try it, but I suspect (based on my experience) that in general most deaf people are well aware of how much of the hearing population can follow signing.

The players I know don't sign during a hand unless it is for clarification purposes -- like: is that one oversized chip out there a call or a raise? or "how much was that bet?" etc.

They can't tell what YOU are saying either. For that matter, when I'm in seat 8 and seats 1&2 are having a quiet conversation between hands, I can't hear that... maybe the poker table should be run like Parliament and the only person you can talk to is the dealer.

"Mr Dealer, I would like to state for the record that, with all due respect, the Right Honorable player in seat 8 is a donkey"

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Nice Post.

[SmokeyRidesAgain]

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Teh only problem I can see if one signs and the other is out of the hand is if another player at the table can read sign language. I don't know the odds of that but they are probably long so I doubt this would bother me.

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You'd be surprised at how many people have at least a good grounding in signing.

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It's not the bulk of this thread that amazes me, it's the "Were they signing ASL or English?" and the "demand and interpreter" posts that are gold.

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ty. Hime "F"-on-chin Hime.

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I like my facial hair, thank you.

[PrimogenitoX]

Dude, they are deaf...leave them alone...and actually cut the world some slack and simply kill yourself.

[dukemagic]

Haha, i'm hard of hearing, and although i don't sign very well (i'm currently taking classes, but i don't need to sign since i do very well with hearing aids), my take on this would be that, as long as they aren't doing it when both are in the hand, it's fine. they can't talk to anyone else, so who are they supposed to talk to when playing poker? if they have a friend they brought along, that's who they are going to want to talk with. that's no different than you talking with your friend about the latest sports game, or what you two think another player had last hand.

sure, they could be telling each other what they had, but as long as it's not high stakes and it doesn't look like they're cheating, let it slide. it's hard enough for deaf people to communicate as it is.