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[NL Newbie]

Ill join in, but i'm only helping those with decent post counts/quality and who signed up a while ago.

Lurkers who signed up 1 year ago with 2 posts can have another lurker who signed up 2 years ago help them out [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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[meleren]

I would like to join in.

[clowntable]

I'll not officially "join in" but I'll comment on all that's posted.
If you decide to do AIM/Skype sessions I'd be game, too as long as I have nothing else to do :P

[HighCardSeven]

I am also interested. Sign me up please.

[cowboy.up]

I'd be interested in joining - a few hundred thousand hands logged in PT between both 25 and 50NL (my game is way to streaky and needs to be fixed).

[CyberianBull]

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Didn't take any notes I'll def watch it again later and take notes and post them but there's one thing I noted that bothers me a bit. You repeat "I don't want to play this OOP" quite often and I think you might not quite understand what position actually is.

When you say OOP I take it you are always refering to the position relative to the button (aka absolute position) however a lot of times the position relative to the initial raiser is way more important.

A prime example of this can be seen @ around 37:50 on the right table where you hold Tc8c let's summarize the situation:
1) You hold Tc8c a hand that one wants to play for cheap in multiway pots
2) You get 1.35:0.25 odds which is excellent
3) Position is excellent and that's the most interesting part about this hand let me explain.....
-> absolutely call here

UTG is the initial raiser and you are in a position where you are last to act once he has acted and some other guy (BTN) is trapped in between.
Usual action is to check to the raiser who may or may not bet. BTN is next to act and if he raises you know you're beat and get out cheaply (unless you flop big).
If however you do flop a good hand BTN might very well put some dead money into the pot.

tl;dr: Being on the imediate right of the initial raiser is excellent because the expected action is to let him put in the first bet which means you'll effectively have position and see what everyone does.

Also note that the position of BTN is actually quite bad eventhough most people would call there and give the explaination "we have position"
(Sounds more complicated than it actually is :P)

p.s.: A hand like this is why posting videos is good. Not many people will think of posting a HH of such an "easy fold PF" in their mind. But in a video hands that seem pretty standard to you but that might actually not be come up a lot and some people will pick up on them and be able to comment on the more bread and butter situations like these [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Thanks, clown, all excellent points. A couple of other hands I thought gave me trouble and I just dont really know what to do in certain situations so i just fold them:

- 11:00 - 89h UTG - mix up between 50% raise and 50% fold?
- 16:26 - 108h on button - EP fish min raiser - always call here?
- 40:15 - J10h on CO - UTG LAG raiser - always call here?

Could you expand more on the position concept? I understand that with 108c hand it's cheap to see flop and if we flop big, we c/r the original raiser. But with other similar hands that I would play on the button we can get free cards if other callers check to me. So I always thought the button/position on raiser is optimal but not in these scenarios?

Thanks again!

[scallop]

LOL - id love to sign up, but i think there is little point... seems like it would just be another uNL forum??

If there is room for one more then that would be cool tho.

[Let_it_rain]

Sweet sent some hits out, hopefully got some NL25 guys who will be keen abd if OP (or anyone else for that matter wants in pm me) will post vids in here anyways, hoping to start at 1 a month a see if we can't get up to 1 a week. Thanks OP