(0.25/0.50) TT in a very large pot

sopoRific · #1 10-23-2007, 04:57 PM

I don't have more than 30 hands on anybody. CO is 30/9/1.6 over 23 hands, and hasn't limped/reraised yet. SB and MP3 are both about 20/3 over 25 hands or so, and I have nothing on UTG.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. MP3 posts a blind of $0.25.
UTG calls, 3 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 (poster) checks, CO calls, 1 fold, SB completes, Hero raises, UTG calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO 3-bets, SB calls, Hero caps, UTG calls, MP2 calls, MP3 folds, CO calls, SB calls.

Capped 5 ways with a limp/reraise by the CO. Capping seems natural with so many people still in the pot, and I would expect CO to raise his premium hands with three limpers to him. What range of hands could I assign to CO?

Flop: (22 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks, MP2 checks, CO bets, SB calls, Hero calls, UTG calls, MP2 folds.

Turn: (13 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks, CO bets, SB folds, Hero ???

Seems I should be folding here, but the pot is so big...

bozlax · #2 10-23-2007, 05:04 PM

LOL @ MP3 pf call-call-fold.

So, why not bet the flop after you cap pf? Either you are or you are not putting CO on a premium hand, and if you're not (which is why you capped pf), does the queen by itself scare you that much? As played, why not raise the flop to try and get UTG and MP2 to fold?

As played, just fold the turn...you gave up on this hand as soon as everybody wouldn't fold to your pf cap.

neurotiq · #3 10-23-2007, 05:37 PM

Hmm, the flop check doesn't seem to agree with your preflop cap. Personally, I think I'd just call the 3bet preflop and then see what happens on the flop.

As played, I think you can fold this turn.

sopoRific · #4 10-23-2007, 05:53 PM

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So, why not bet the flop after you cap pf? Either you are or you are not putting CO on a premium hand, and if you're not (which is why you capped pf), does the queen by itself scare you that much? As played, why not raise the flop to try and get UTG and MP2 to fold?

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Good questions. The only answer I can come up with is that I'm weak-tight.

How would I proceed if lead the flop? If I lead and everyone calls, it seems like I'm in a very similar spot on the turn. At that point, do I continue to fire away on the turn and river UI if I'm called down? Does this change if I call the three-bet PF and bet the flop?

If I bet and get raised, at least I can confidently play my hand like a two out draw.

Point Blank · #5 10-23-2007, 10:02 PM

capping TT preflop OOP is a little dicey ... after this guy limps and reraises from late position I assume he is a retard and I will be thinking of check raising most flops

after capping preflop ... i have no idea

leading out into a field with 2nd pair seems purely informational ... and checking after you cap seems, well, stupid (so i guess your only option is to open fold)

i can live with a check and see, i guess

on the flop almost every over card will be calling backdoor draws ...
after it checks to the retard and SB only calls I'll probably go for a check raise (if both these other guys call I'm done with the hand)

anyways ... yeah - open fold the flop please

??
how strong of a hand do you think TT is
along with being OOP
along with a semi-large field

Xylocain · #6 10-24-2007, 02:21 AM

:g: <- not really

Preflop is kind of confusing but basically fine. If CO is sane you have to put him on some SC like JTs or KQs. Otherwise this is nothing but ATC I mean, wtf over-lrr in the CO with like 1 billion callers, AA?

I really dont know what to do with the flop, as played I think I c/r hoping to blow out the trash in the middle and I am folding to any action from anyone other than CO.

The good news is that you cant do to big mistakes in a pot this size. I would def like to see a SD with CO tho.

As played I fold the turn.

God this hand tilts me hard.

JJack · #7 10-24-2007, 08:31 AM

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I don't have more than 30 hands on anybody. CO is 30/9/1.6 over 23 hands, and hasn't limped/reraised yet. SB and MP3 are both about 20/3 over 25 hands or so, and I have nothing on UTG.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. MP3 posts a blind of $0.25.
UTG calls, 3 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 (poster) checks, CO calls, 1 fold, SB completes, Hero raises, UTG calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO 3-bets, SB calls, Hero caps, UTG calls, MP2 calls, MP3 folds, CO calls, SB calls.

Capped 5 ways with a limp/reraise by the CO. Capping seems natural with so many people still in the pot, and I would expect CO to raise his premium hands with three limpers to him. What range of hands could I assign to CO?

hmm ...
He has probably big pocet or some kind of multiway hands like any suited middle suited connectors or brodway suited cards.

Flop: (22 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks, MP2 checks, CO bets, SB calls, Hero calls, UTG calls, MP2 folds.

I would probably bet/call and fold turn when I dont spike set (We have very good impied odds if villain has big pocet)

Turn: (13 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks, CO bets, SB folds, Hero ???

Fold - 2 overcards, no fold equity cus u didnt c-bet flop

Seems I should be folding here, but the pot is so big...

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DaBizomb · #8 10-24-2007, 09:04 PM

*g*

in my head the limp 3-bet = AA, KK, especially with that many people already calling. I'm not sure I have the juevos to cap there. lol MP3. Getting 24 to 1 on the flop I'm calling. By the turn I'm pretty depressed and folding.

JerBear77 · #9 10-25-2007, 10:48 AM

Why didn't we lead it out if we capped preflop?

As played.....

Call the flop because of the size of the pot but w/ 3 other players going to the turn you certainly are against either a Q, a J, or a sleeping monster. Check/fold the turn is best here IMO.

bozlax · #10 10-25-2007, 11:18 AM

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Good questions. The only answer I can come up with is that I'm weak-tight.

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No, weak-tight would be calling the pf3 and check-folding the flop.

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How would I proceed if lead the flop? If I lead and everyone calls, it seems like I'm in a very similar spot on the turn. At that point, do I continue to fire away on the turn and river UI if I'm called down?

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You don't have very good reads. CO appears to be somewhat aggressive postflop, but that's all. Against typical passive .25/.50 opponents, you keep betting your good hands until you meet resistance. fwiw, if you bet and just get called, your situation is immensely improved; whereas the way you played it CO could have a queen, a jack, one or more ui overcards, or air, if you bet and he doesn't raise on the flop you can be pretty sure he doesn't have a queen. Futher, if he doesn't have a queen, he doesn't know that YOU don't, and when the turn isn't an ace (one of his likely holdings being Ax) your FE skyrockets.

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Does this change if I call the three-bet PF and bet the flop?

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Why would you smooth-call the pf3 and then donk the flop? What does that do for you?

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If I bet and get raised, at least I can confidently play my hand like a two out draw.

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Which street? And, not really...if Villan has either an overpair or a hand that a) beats you and b) matched up with this flop, he played his hand like a gigantic jackass somewhere. And, if he could play a good hand this poorly, he could certainly play a bad hand poorly.