The dealer said I couldn't do it

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Can someone please show me where it is written that the rules go out the window when a hand is heads-up? I have never heard of that, have never read it anywhere, and the guy can't pull back part of his bet.

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I will spell out more clearly what psandman says in reply to this. Who says they can't pull back the bet? There are two people that have standing to say he can't pull back the bet and they are both in favor of it. As I posted earlier in this thread the dealer needs to stay out of it and mind his own business. It is the players' game, if the players want to hear from the dealer they will let him know.

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The rule that says that action in turn is binding.

The rule doesn't state action in turn is binding unless its heads up, then the players can discuss/negotiate the actual bet after the initial bet has been made.

Why should they be able to take back any part of a bet?
The dealer is there to manage the game, and that includes making sure the players adhere to the rules of the game, if you want the dealer to mind his own business, play in a home game.
Casinos are business and are regulated by groups and rules that require them to run fair, impartial and consistent games the rules of which are not dictated by the players.

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The dealer is there to manage the game

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No he isn't. He is there to deal the cards. What is he going to do, physically restrain the players from doing what they want with their money? There is always a casino down the street that has dealers that understand they need to stay out of the game.

edit to add: In most higher limit games if a dealer complains "a player told me to STFU" they will generally be told away form the table to talk less (or none at all). There are games where the dealer literally has nothing to say, ever.

[UbinTook]

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The dealer is there to manage the game

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No he isn't. He is there to deal the cards. What is he going to do, physically restrain the players from doing what they want with their money? There is always a casino down the street that has dealers that understand they need to stay out of the game.

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No, but i promise you that if players are doing something that is either
A. a blatant disregard of a rule(s), or
B. will affect MY Job( because i didn't enforce something i should have)
I will clarify the rule, if they ignore me or refuse to follow the rule(s) the game will stop until the situation is rectified by the floor.

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edit to add: In most higher limit games if a dealer complains "a player told me to STFU" they will generally be told away form the table to talk less (or none at all). There are games where the dealer literally has nothing to say, ever.

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Not at Casino Arizona, i agree that in fact many times the less said by the dealer the better, but abuse just isn't tolerated.

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Not at Casino Arizona, i agree that in fact many times the less said by the dealer the better, but abuse just isn't tolerated.

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They don't have really big games there because there is a limit to what can be bet. Also back in about 2000 when complaints about abuse were a big topic a good friend of mine spoke about dealers abusing players at some poker industry conference. Dealers talking and getting in the player's business is the worst form of abuse.

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The dealer is there to manage the game

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No he isn't. He is there to deal the cards. What is he going to do, physically restrain the players from doing what they want with their money? There is always a casino down the street that has dealers that understand they need to stay out of the game.

edit to add: In most higher limit games if a dealer complains "a player told me to STFU" they will generally be told away form the table to talk less (or none at all). There are games where the dealer literally has nothing to say, ever.


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For players with no live experience other than very low limit games, this probably seems a little retarded, but it's kind of how it is. Dealers run 1/2 games for the most part because they need to be managed, but this isn't the case with a lot of higher limit games. Those guys don't really need anyone to manage their game, and they don't want anyone to manage their game. All they really want is a warm body to deal the cards.

STFU is pretty much the order of the day in those games if you're a dealer in the bigger markets. I can speak to AC and Vegas, and I'm sure CA isn't any different since I hear they're the worst as far as dealer abuse. The whole point is that it's their money and their game.

And if there is a problem, well that's what the floor is for.