How then do we get rid of the state? I want to do something!?!

[Nielsio]

Similarly, the more tyrants pillage, the more they crave, the more they ruin and destroy; the more one yields to them, and obeys them, by that much do they become mightier and more formidable, the readier to annihilate and destroy. But if not one thing is yielded to them, if, without any violence they are simply not obeyed, they become naked and undone and as nothing, just as, when the root receives no nourishment, the branch withers and dies.
-Étienne de La Boétie

Resolve to serve no more, and you are at once freed. I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break in pieces.
-Étienne de La Boétie

If submissiveness ceased, it would be all over with lordship.
-Max Stirner

When the subject has refused allegiance, and the officer has resigned his office, then the revolution is accomplished.
-Henry David Thoreau

Cast your whole vote, not a strip of paper merely, but your whole influence. A minority is powerless while it conforms to the majority; it is not even a minority then; but it is irresistible when it clogs by its whole weight. If the alternative is to keep all just men in prison, or give up war and slavery, the State will not hesitate which to choose. If a thousand men were not to pay their tax bills this year, that would not be a violent and bloody measure, as it would be to pay them, and enable the State to commit violence and shed innocent blood. This is, in fact, the definition of a peaceable revolution, if any such is possible. If the tax-gatherer, or any other public officer, asks me, as one has done, "But what shall I do?" my answer is, "If you really wish to do anything, resign your office."
-Henry David Thoreau

You believed until now that tyrants exist? Well! You were wrong, there are only slaves: where no one obeys, no one can command.
-Anselme Bellegarrigue

As soon as men live entirely in accord with the law of love natural to their hearts and now revealed to them, which excludes all resistance by violence, and therefore hold aloof from all participation in violence-as soon as this happens, not only will hundreds be unable to enslave millions, but not even millions will be able to enslave a single individual. Do not resist the evil- doer and take no part in doing so, either in the violent deeds of the administration, in the law courts, the collection of taxes, or above all in soldiering, and no one in the world will be able to enslave you.
-Leo Tolstoy

(I)f the bulk of the public were really convinced of the illegitimacy of the State, if it were convinced that the State is nothing more nor less than a bandit gang writ large, then the State would soon collapse to take on no more status or breadth of existence than another Mafia gang.
-Murray Rothbard

But the proles, if only they could somehow become conscious of their own strength, would have no reason to conspire. They needed only to rise up and shake themselves, like a horse shaking off flies. If they chose, they could blow the party to pieces tomorrow morning. Surely, sooner or later, it must occur to them to do it? And yet...
-George Orwell, "1984"

The voluntaryist spirit attacks government and coercive monopolies where it hurts them the most: it destroys whatever legitimacy they lay claim to and urges the withdrawal of the consent and cooperation on which all organizations depend.
-Carl Watner

Revolutionary implications stem from the simple voluntaryist insight that no ruler exists without the cooperation and/or acquiescence of the majority of his or her subjects to be ruled. One might say that nonviolence is "the political equivalent of the atomic bomb." To call nonviolent resistance "passive" or "for sissies" is to totally misunderstand its import. As Hannah Arrendt pointed out, the use of nonviolent resistance is one of the most active and efficient ways of action ever devised by human beings because it cannot be countered by fighting.
-Carl Watner

[Taso]

Pretty sure Orwell wasn't talking about one of the most free countries in the world when he was writing 1984.

[clowntable]

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Pretty sure Orwell wasn't talking about one of the most free countries in the world when he was writing 1984.

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Have you ever read the "Patriot Act" (just to give one example)?

[ShakeZula06]

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Pretty sure Orwell wasn't talking about one of the most free countries in the world when he was writing 1984.

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Matter of degree I'd assume.

[AlexM]

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How then do we get rid of the state? I want to do something!?!

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We can't. Best we can hope for is to minimize and decentralize the state's power.

[AlexM]

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Pretty sure Orwell wasn't talking about one of the most free countries in the world when he was writing 1984.

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Pretty sure he was... the U.S. was part of Oceania, the country in which 1984 takes place.

[andyfox]

Orwell said that all his serious writing since 1936 had been "against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism."

[NeBlis]

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Orwell said that all his serious writing since 1936 had been "against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism."

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which is hilarious because his writing tends to make you scared as hell of socialism.

[Taso]

Makes me scared of communism, not socialism.

[Bill Haywood]

Nielsio:

Here you are, going off on some other subject.

A number of people took the trouble to make very detailed comments about your 911 metallurgy post over in math/science.

You completely dropped the issue, ignored the careful answers to your questions, and generally behaved like a putz.

I imagine you'll prefer this thread on political philosophy -- harder to get pinned to the wall.