folding kings... i know ppl hate this but bear with me.. - Page 4

Thremp · #31 12-20-2006, 04:40 AM

Surf,

What does villain do here against your range? I assume your range here is KK/AA with maybe QQ/AKs in there. If I have rawkettz... Why bother with the flop if you'll always call?

flawless_victory · #32 12-20-2006, 10:44 AM

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yesterday. villian is straate.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $10 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button ($914)
SB ($1009)
Hero ($1300.70)
UTG ($1103.50)
MP ($1352)
CO ($1551.65)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
2 folds, CO raises to $40, 1 fold, SB raises to $130, Hero raises to $350, CO folds, SB raises to $1009, Hero...

do you fold here? basically same thing i think.

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These hands are nothing alike and no.

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also i like the fold in the OP.

DrMagic · #33 12-20-2006, 01:00 PM

I'm suprised at you f_v, I would instacall this. I see donks make this move with AK and some other big suited aces and stuff. Easy easy call imo.

john kane · #34 12-20-2006, 01:13 PM

do you have any disconnect protections left?

stewcrew · #35 12-20-2006, 01:26 PM

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do you have any disconnect protections left?

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hahahhaaha

when you have kings like this villian either has it or he doesn't. this villian either has aces or dueces. The unknown player will donk off here with QQ or some hand he doesn't know how to play on the flop like JJ or TT atleast as often as he has AA.

If all else fails use your disconnects haha,

Surf · #36 12-20-2006, 01:39 PM

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yesterday. villian is straate.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $10 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button ($914)
SB ($1009)
Hero ($1300.70)
UTG ($1103.50)
MP ($1352)
CO ($1551.65)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
2 folds, CO raises to $40, 1 fold, SB raises to $130, Hero raises to $350, CO folds, SB raises to $1009, Hero...

do you fold here? basically same thing i think.

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I would call here, I haven't played in the 5/10 stars games but i'm assuming they're pretty aggro, if there's any hint of steal-resteal going on I think you're getting pushed by enough non-premium stuff to make this an easy call.

Surf

Megenoita · #37 12-20-2006, 01:46 PM

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yesterday. villian is straate.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $10 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button ($914)
SB ($1009)
Hero ($1300.70)
UTG ($1103.50)
MP ($1352)
CO ($1551.65)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
2 folds, CO raises to $40, 1 fold, SB raises to $130, Hero raises to $350, CO folds, SB raises to $1009, Hero...

do you fold here? basically same thing i think.

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I would call here, I haven't played in the 5/10 stars games but i'm assuming they're pretty aggro, if there's any hint of steal-resteal going on I think you're getting pushed by enough non-premium stuff to make this an easy call.

Surf

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The 5/10 stars game are absurdly agg, and I'm not folding KK, AA, QQ, or AK basically ever pf in those games.

In your situation surf, I definitely like the fold. A min-raise and then push is probably AA/KK. I really don't see QQ doing this, and AK would love to call. The min-raise/push is decidedly AA most of the time, and it sucks it's your first hand b/c a read could really sway it, but I fold here as well as long as I'm not tilting at the time [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img].

Edited: by min-raise I mean min rr

TheWorstPlayer · #38 12-20-2006, 02:11 PM

Will people please not re-raise KK in this spot? If you want to re-raise 86s in this spot, fine. If you want to re-raise AA in this spot, fine. But I think KK is the worst possible hand to re-raise in this spot. And it is ABSOLUTELY TERRIBLE if you are going to fold to a push...

TheWorstPlayer · #39 12-20-2006, 02:13 PM

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for some reason a cold 4ball in that situation gets NO respect.

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thank you, thank you. i'll take the credit for that baby. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Fisher32 · #40 12-20-2006, 02:23 PM

You have all implications of a great player. You may have saved some money. I had almost the same situation the other day as you. I called a 3bet ALL-IN and was up against Aces. Guy took me for 1.1k. If the game was bigger, I may of let it go. Cold deck is all. Better luck next time.