Crazy / Good (?) bluff leading into a huge another hand

insyder19 · #1 09-19-2007, 12:52 PM

Okay so here this two hands happened within 3 mins. The first hand, I figured his check on the turn was weak so I fired with a lot of outs. On the river I thought he is scared of the king and might fold.

The second hand I already though I am behind vs QQ or AA but was commited and had to call.

Was the first hand played good or should I have reraised the flop?

Titan No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25/$0.50BB (Titan HH Converter by Kreatief)

CO ($45.90)
Button ($59.45) (Hero)
SB ($46.70)
BB ($145.82)
MP2 ($27.60)
MP3 ($61.20)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
1 folds, MP3 calls $0.50, 1 folds, Hero raises to 2.0, 1 folds, BB calls $1.50, MP3 calls $1.50,

Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ( $6.25 )
MP3 bets $5.00, Hero calls $5.00, BB calls $5.00,

Turn: 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ( $21.25 )
MP3 checks, Hero bets $16.00, MP3 calls $16.00,

River: K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ( $53.25 )
MP3 checks, Hero bets $36.45, 1 folds,

Final Pot: $87.05

Titan No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25/$0.50BB (Titan HH Converter by Kreatief)

SB ($45.40)
BB ($87.80) (Hero)
MP2 ($46.45)
MP3 ($140.47)
CO ($26.85)
Button ($49.75)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
1 folds, MP3 raises to 1.5, CO calls $1.50, Button raises to 2.5, 1 folds, Hero raises to 10.0, MP3 calls $9.00, 1 folds, Button calls $8.00,

Flop: 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ( $33.25 )
Hero bets $25.00, MP3 raises to 51.0, Button raises All-In $39.25, Hero raises to 77.3, MP3 calls $26.30,

Turn: 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ( $227.1 )

River: 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ( $227.1 )

Final Pot: $224.10

sightless · #2 09-19-2007, 12:57 PM

Hand #1 his flop donk IS very strong
I dotn see our bet ont urn folding out a lot of the hands he bets the flop like that so I take a free card
as played I shut down after he calls the turn bet

hand #2 I raise pf 2-3$ more pf
unsure what to do on flop
I probably check and raise all in

Afro_Love · #3 09-19-2007, 01:05 PM

I only count 12 outs on the first hand on the turn. Which gives you about 25%. I would have either reraised the flop or check the turn.

insyder19 · #4 09-19-2007, 02:09 PM

Hand 1, we have 13 outs. Any ace, any 5, any spade. Unless he has two pair.

Why would you check the second hand on the flop?

And hand 1, if he had a good hand to raise the flop, why did he check the turn? And then check the river? Obviously a Jack or something worse / draw?

sightless · #5 09-19-2007, 02:15 PM

why did he check turn in hand 1? I dont know maybe he was goign for a c/r all in. But he certanly has you beat and he probably not folding

as for checking the flop it probably gets more action from the hands that we beat on the flop

hennnerz · #6 09-19-2007, 02:23 PM

Hand 1 - I raise to $2.5 preflop. Then raise the flop. Calling I don't like due to the chap behind who might come over the top of us. (Dirty and very sexual I know [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img])

I dont like the rest because I cant put him on a hand that would play flop and turn like that but fold this river...

Hand 2 - Facing a 3bet I raise a little more than pot. I think we QQ here for button/mp3 a fair bit... However I probs get it all in here too.

dnord · #7 09-19-2007, 02:30 PM

Hand 1: you've given the limper good odds to continue by only raising to 4BB. 5 might be better (it's certainly more popular) and I am comfortable folding A4s if there's a limper involved, esp. if he's crafty.

I'm with Sightless - the donk bet doesn't look crafty - it looks like you're going to need something in writing from the BB saying "I will call" to guarantee your odds. You don't have implied odds - once that flush hits everyone else will be out of there.

Are you posting the hands together because you think your opponents loosened up after your sweet bluff? One: did you show after you scooped the pot / talk about your busted draw? Because opponents have no way of knowing you didn't fill up / flush up / etc. Your strong bet looks like a strong hand to them.

And it doesn't honestly look like they're taking advantage of your crazy image in hand 2 - before you even look act, there's been a UTG+1 raise, a CO call, a BTN minraise (YUCK), putting $6.25 in the pot. Unless you think someone did this with a 2, I feel pretty awesome about pushing the flop.

Or perhaps you're posting because you lost two stacks in a multi-way pot on a paired flop. I don't know.

insyder19 · #8 09-19-2007, 03:04 PM

I really think the second hand wouldn't have got so far with especially with the same guys as the same hand if I didn't win the first hand the way I did. I wanted to show but didn't because I didn't want them to call me like crazy all the other hands I semi bluff. I have chat off.

I understand your guys point, but I don't get it in the first hand. He limps but then pots the flop, it looks like a donk bet to me. I don't think he has anything besides a draw there. And then he check calls the turn, senses a lot of weakness. And if he feels good with his hand why did he check the river?

Here are the results of the second hand:

Titan No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25/$0.50BB (Titan HH Converter by Kreatief)

SB ($45.40)
BB ($87.80) (Hero)
MP2 ($46.45)
MP3 ($140.47)
CO ($26.85)
Button ($49.75)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
1 folds, MP3 raises to 1.5, CO calls $1.50, Button raises to 2.5, 1 folds, Hero raises to 10.0, MP3 calls $9.00, 1 folds, Button calls $8.00,

Flop: 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ( $33.25 )
Hero bets $25.00, MP3 raises to 51.0, Button raises All-In $39.25, Hero raises to 77.3, MP3 calls $26.30,

Turn: 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ( $227.1 )

River: 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ( $227.1 )

Final Pot: $224.10

Results:
MP3 has 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
Button has 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
Hero has K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Outcome: Hero wins $224.10

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I don't see there nobody calling with A2 or something similar. I was worried about the reraise on the flop but then I was commited and not drawing dead so I had to call. Especially because this guy was from Sweden and could just try to push with any pair putting me on AK.

sightless · #9 09-19-2007, 03:10 PM

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He limps but then pots the flop, it looks like a donk bet to me. I don't think he has anything besides a draw there.

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if you have a read that he only donks draws ok then
Most of them donk means decent hand.

When you bet on turn you dont knwo that he is going to check the river