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Old 12-01-2007, 04:31 AM
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Default Re: Fill up on river, shove or check?

Jesus Christ some people here have FPS.

Effective stacks sizes are $156, and the pot is $224.

Why would anyone NOT shove here?

The only possible argument for checking is if villain will bluff total air a significant % of the time.
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Old 12-01-2007, 04:58 AM
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Default Re: Fill up on river, shove or check?

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CRAI pretty sure its not even close

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for what reason? villain will never be bluffing and u really think that his v-bet range is wider than his range for calling a shove? if so examples plz.

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what are you putting villain on after the turn action?

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umm...a flush ldo? maybe A7/56/44 as far as hands we beat and he's gonna have A8 sometimes i guess. i think his range is super weighted towards flushes tho.
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Old 12-01-2007, 05:16 AM
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Default Re: Fill up on river, shove or check?

Yah I guess shove is pretty obvious, he folded quickly when I shoved but I think he has to have a big enough hand to call with often enough for shoving to be the best option.
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Old 12-01-2007, 05:28 AM
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Default Re: Fill up on river, shove or check?

I would probably c/r since a 45/11 can show up with air here and almost always value bets with a flush.
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Old 12-01-2007, 05:30 AM
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Default Re: Fill up on river, shove or check?

most any hand that he's calling a shove with he's betting on the river.
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Old 12-01-2007, 06:37 PM
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Default Re: Fill up on river, shove or check?

fwiw, hands villain calls a shove with that he might not bet himself = naked Ax, and there's no reason for him to have that

Everything else in his range = let him bet in case he's being a retard and doesn't have trips or better
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Old 12-01-2007, 07:32 PM
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Default Re: Fill up on river, shove or check?

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fwiw, hands villain calls a shove with that he might not bet himself = naked Ax, and there's no reason for him to have that

Everything else in his range = let him bet in case he's being a retard and doesn't have trips or better

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They often check behind small flushes and usually check behind 56. They also rarely fold these hands to a push.
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Old 12-01-2007, 07:54 PM
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Default Re: Fill up on river, shove or check?

A 45/11/2 is never, never ever checking behind a flush.
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Old 12-01-2007, 07:57 PM
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shove
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Old 12-01-2007, 08:01 PM
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