Stars 150k hand

minwoo · #1 09-13-2007, 01:32 PM

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t800 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero (t23691)
UTG (t22472)
UTG+1 (t18595)
MP1 (t7020)
MP2 (t8005)
MP3 (t8725)
CO (t18896)
Button (t15585)
SB (t11208)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls t800, 6 folds, SB completes, Hero raises to t2700, UTG calls t1900, SB folds.

Flop: (t6120) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets t3800, UTG raises to t8800, Hero...

Not much of a read a on villain. Haven't seen him do anything crazy. Have seen him limp early position maybe once before.

Should I just call and get it in on the turn (to give him a chance to bluff the turn, if he is bluffing) or do I go ahead and repush here?

driverseati · #2 09-13-2007, 01:44 PM

The one problem I see with calling here is that you're OOP, and calling the flop and checking the turn may cause the utg player to shut down and take a free river card, which is way less than ideal. By calling, and causing the pot to become so large that a shove would lay you about 3:1, will deter him to shove with many worse hands than you. At this point, you need to decide whether you have the best hand or not, and either shove or fold.

Villian's range here imo is KQ, ATs+, AJ, 22+ (I could be wrong) given the fact that he's an unknown and hasn't been out of line much, that range (assuming little chance he's bluffing with air) is a set, all hands that involve an ace, and any FD hands (which could include suited connectors). You're ahead here I'd think about half the time, and given the pot is now so large just shove and take any difficult decisions out of your hands.

djk123 · #3 09-13-2007, 02:10 PM

i just stick it in on the flop

GreatKerblini · #4 09-13-2007, 02:10 PM

Umm...with this board and this small of raise, I think you are behind here - either 2-pair or set. At worst, you are up against a combo draw. I muck as nitty as that sounds. I also like not raising pf.

djk123 · #5 09-13-2007, 02:29 PM

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Umm...with this board and this small of raise, I think you are behind here - either 2-pair or set. At worst, you are up against a combo draw. I muck as nitty as that sounds. I also like not raising pf.

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but how many combos of sets/2prs here are actually plausible? I think we can completely eliminate AA and JJ, and I really don't think many people would limp/call 88 like that. Not many people limp/call AJ utg either, but it is more likely than 88. And if you're going to say that A8 in his range, then you have to also include AT and A9 imo.

driverseati · #6 09-13-2007, 02:53 PM

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Umm...with this board and this small of raise, I think you are behind here - either 2-pair or set. At worst, you are up against a combo draw. I muck as nitty as that sounds. I also like not raising pf.

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Some of the time, you may not want to raise pf....however if he's limping AJ and AT, why not get value out of those hands. Also, you put him into spots with the low to mid pps should he be limping those too.

ianisakson · #7 09-13-2007, 02:54 PM

what reads do you have on villian? does he limp a lot, have you seen him limp big hands before. I think this is a spot to go broke, but I think I can fold if i've seen them limp AK/AA/JJ in similar spots.

KingDan · #8 09-13-2007, 02:58 PM

id jack it up a bit more pf if i raised

stick it in on the flop

GreatKerblini · #9 09-13-2007, 03:39 PM

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Umm...with this board and this small of raise, I think you are behind here - either 2-pair or set. At worst, you are up against a combo draw. I muck as nitty as that sounds. I also like not raising pf.

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but how many combos of sets/2prs here are actually plausible? I think we can completely eliminate AA and JJ, and I really don't think many people would limp/call 88 like that. Not many people limp/call AJ utg either, but it is more likely than 88. And if you're going to say that A8 in his range, then you have to also include AT and A9 imo.

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So what do you put him on? You are eliminating any decent holding. Do you put him on a pure bluff? With this board, it is sooo unlikey. Personally, I dont think we can eliminate anything from his range. Its just not feasible for him to raise here without the goods unless he is a real donkey. What does AQ really beat here? Only A10 and A9 and a little ahead of a combo draw. Without any reads, I think pushing is spew.

GreatKerblini · #10 09-13-2007, 03:41 PM

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Umm...with this board and this small of raise, I think you are behind here - either 2-pair or set. At worst, you are up against a combo draw. I muck as nitty as that sounds. I also like not raising pf.

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Some of the time, you may not want to raise pf....however if he's limping AJ and AT, why not get value out of those hands. Also, you put him into spots with the low to mid pps should he be limping those too.

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Yea I mix it up..it obv really depends on the flow of the table, UTG limper's image, stack sizes.