Live NYC - 25/50 with trips

[rock1]

villian has generally played pretty solid although in the past he has had tendencies to get out of line...i start hand with about 13k and villian covers

hand is straddled to 100, one limper to me on button with K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] and i limp...small blind and big blind complete...5 to the flop

A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]8 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

checked to me and i bet 400...villian in small blind calls and everyone else folds...

turn 7 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]...villian check calls my 1200 bet after some thought...

river: J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]...villian slowly checks...i think for 30 seconds and bet 3200 (leaving me with 8000 behind)...villian thinks for 30 seconds and quietly says all in (he covers me)...Is this ever a bluff/do you call this bet?

[FoxwoodsFiend]

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.Is this ever a bluff/do you call this bet?

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yes/yes

[AAismyfriend]

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[FoxwoodsFiend]

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yes/yes

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at least the guy who can't fold is with me

[zaxx19]

It is a bluff sometimes...as with most threads in the high stakes forum I dont really have enough info to answer...


Your table image and recent play at the table hands shown down etc. would help.

Any physical reads>? Im at least studying or trying to get a read if possible before making any 8Kdecision here.

[AAismyfriend]

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yes/yes

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at least the guy who can't fold is with me

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lol

[Subfallen]

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think for 30 seconds and bet 3200 (leaving me with 8000 behind).

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What had you planned to do vs. a shove while thinking?

[PokerForMath]

I think this pot is mostly about how villain views you.

I think he shows up here sometimes with a boat and sometimes with a mid range hand thinking you are on a bluff. If you are capable of bluffing the river and he knows it then it's an insta-call if he would try to push you off, you are getting 2.25:1 on your call.

If he is solid and can't put you on a bluff, I can't see a cr ai that you beat. What can he have that you beat? Does a solid player cr ai with Q8, T8, 98 for value? Seems kind of thin. Meanwhile you are behind A8, 78, J8, 77 all of which are possible given he completed from the small blind.

[duck_butter]

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I agree completely. I don't think you ever see a worse 8 here. He either has you crushed or you have him killed. If you think that he thinks you are capable of a big river bluff, then you have to call as he could have a large range of hands that you are beating. He also might make this move if he things you are exceptionally tight and he's seen you make "big lay downs" before.

Just given the info you provided, it feels like 78 or 77 to me. He seemed to call fairly quickly on the flop, but then took his time thinking on the turn, then slowly checks the river and finally thinks again before moving all in (this sounds like an acting job with a big hand).

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I agree completely. I don't think you ever see a worse 8 here. He either has you crushed or you have him killed.

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What makes you say that?