NL25: KK - Good preflop fold? Just kidding What is the river decision?

[ranka]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Reads:
Villain is CO and totally unknown this point.

Stacks:
MP ($28.95)
CO ($26.40)
Hero ($30.70)
SB ($48.30)
BB ($4.30)
UTG ($5)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. MP posts a blind of $0.35.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP (poster) checks, CO calls $0.25, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1.75</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP folds, CO calls $1.50.

Flop: ($4.20) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
CO checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $3</font>, CO calls $3.

Turn: ($10.20) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
CO checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $6.5</font>, CO calls $6.50.

River: ($23.20) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
CO checks, Hero ?

Sorry, this is maybe so standard but I ask anyway. I don't know which one is better, sometimes I lost too big bots by betting this river or lost value by checking. What is standard line here? I assume check? I put villain on flush draw or weak queen.

[TheBad]

1/3 Pot to get value out of weak queens ?

[Sounded Simple]

Tricky without reads but I check behind here.
Very difficult to put him on a hand given his line but here goes..

Hands you beat:
AQ, KQ - May call
AT, KT - Some callstations do make these calls but I wouldnt be too hopefull of seeing this
Busted Flush - Wont call

Hands that beat you:
QQ,22,TT - Should have raised somewhere but may have been letting you do the betting for them. Will almost certainly call despite the scary board
QT - Very possible and will probably call.
Any J - Is CR you all in, strange to check the river when they hit but you have bet 3-streets so they may thing CR is the best way to extract.


So I check behind.
Better hands are not folding, few worse hands call.
Any J -

[Landlord79]

I agree w/ pot control on these big pairs on coordinated boards like this. Good analysis SS.

[swainy]

i agree with sounded simple, there aren't many worse hands that call.

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1/3 Pot to get value out of weak queens ?

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i definitely would not do this, it looks weak and a busted draw maybe decide this pot can be taken down if he raises AI. this bet makes u vulnerable to a bluff u cannot call

[Steelerman]

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i agree with sounded simple, there aren't many worse hands that call.

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1/3 Pot to get value out of weak queens ?

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i definitely would not do this, it looks weak and a busted draw maybe decide this pot can be taken down if he raises AI. this bet makes u vulnerable to a bluff u cannot call

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I'd check behind too but not for this reason. If Hero did bet 1/3 pot the Villain could only raise for $7 more so he's not getting bluffed off.

[swainy]

it is the hero who bets 1/3 pot tho, not villain. still tho, i see your point, villain doesnt have enough to make hero fold to CRAI

[Steelerman]

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it is the hero who bets 1/3 pot tho, not villain. still tho, i see your point, villain doesnt have enough to make hero fold to CRAI

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Yeah just a typo I corrected. I like seeing hands like these as I believe one of my main weaknesses is not making enough river value bets. Here though, I think the check is the play.

[Steelerman]

P.S. Ranka...move up. You've done all you need to do at NL25.

[Chargers In 07]

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P.S. Ranka...move up. You've done all you need to do at NL25.

[/ QUOTE ]I played with him quite a bit the past two days at the $50 so I'm sure it'll be for good soon.

I'm with everybody else about the hand. So many two pair combos and so many ways he can have a straight. Only way he can call is if he has KQ or AQ and didn't raise them preflop.