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11-30-2007, 05:23 PM
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Re: deeeeep 50-100, 2 part heads up hand.
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someone explain why 3balling the flop is even a good play vs this villian. [/ QUOTE ] It can give you more information about his hand. If he 4-balls, yer probably dead, and you found out for cheaper than calling a turn and river, which if the board bricks off, you pretty much have to do. Not saying it's the best play, but showing why it can have merit. That said, I haven't read to second part yet, but it seems like you caught him with his hand in the cookie jar. I'd probably bet and reassess if he raises again, as you have mentioned he can't have had an ace on flop and now picked up FD. Probably a fold if he does raise again given your read on him. EDIT: I've now read the rest, and while I hate to let people off with a weak ace here, betting like 4500 and folding to a shove is supremely crappy, but if you bet anywhere near pot and he raises you, pretty much both options suck. That said, from your read I probably milk him for the 4500 on river, then cry and fold if he raises me, as I can't imagine for the life of me a guy with this image is going to piss away ~23k trying to shove off an obvious ace, and wouldn't be at all surprised had he backed into a flush with a flop bluff. I'm guessing since you posted this, this hand is more interesting than a standard bet/called/kicked his ace or bet/folded, but trying not to look at it like that. 
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#2
11-30-2007, 05:27 PM
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Re: deeeeep 50-100, 2 part heads up hand.
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[ QUOTE ] someone explain why 3balling the flop is even a good play vs this villian. [/ QUOTE ] It can give you more information about his hand. If he 4-balls, yer probably dead, and you found out for cheaper than calling a turn and river, which if the board bricks off, you pretty much have to do. [/ QUOTE ] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]
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11-30-2007, 05:36 PM
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Re: deeeeep 50-100, 2 part heads up hand.
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] someone explain why 3balling the flop is even a good play vs this villian. [/ QUOTE ] It can give you more information about his hand. If he 4-balls, yer probably dead, and you found out for cheaper than calling a turn and river, which if the board bricks off, you pretty much have to do. [/ QUOTE ] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] What's the question? That dry a board and we're gonna just assume a mostly ABC player is gonna bluff us off an obv good ace by 4 betting a dry flop? Again, not saying it's the best line, just saying it has it's merits at times. At least post what the question is, it's not like my statement is that strange, and if you think it is, say why.
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#4
11-30-2007, 06:06 PM
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Re: deeeeep 50-100, 2 part heads up hand.
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] someone explain why 3balling the flop is even a good play vs this villian. [/ QUOTE ] It can give you more information about his hand. If he 4-balls, yer probably dead, and you found out for cheaper than calling a turn and river, which if the board bricks off, you pretty much have to do. [/ QUOTE ] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] What's the question? That dry a board and we're gonna just assume a mostly ABC player is gonna bluff us off an obv good ace by 4 betting a dry flop? Again, not saying it's the best line, just saying it has it's merits at times. At least post what the question is, it's not like my statement is that strange, and if you think it is, say why. [/ QUOTE ] well if i think he's not going to call with worse or 4-bet bluff, that i dont see any reason at all to 3-bet. if i'm 3-betting here, it's exactly because i want more action. not to find out if i'm beat or not. from my perspective, AK is pretty darn close to the nuts on this flop. i'll do whatever i can to get as much money in the pot as i can (within reason).
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#5
11-30-2007, 07:33 PM
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Re: deeeeep 50-100, 2 part heads up hand.
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] someone explain why 3balling the flop is even a good play vs this villian. [/ QUOTE ] It can give you more information about his hand. If he 4-balls, yer probably dead, and you found out for cheaper than calling a turn and river, which if the board bricks off, you pretty much have to do. [/ QUOTE ] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] What's the question? That dry a board and we're gonna just assume a mostly ABC player is gonna bluff us off an obv good ace by 4 betting a dry flop? Again, not saying it's the best line, just saying it has it's merits at times. At least post what the question is, it's not like my statement is that strange, and if you think it is, say why. [/ QUOTE ] well if i think he's not going to call with worse or 4-bet bluff, that i dont see any reason at all to 3-bet. if i'm 3-betting here, it's exactly because i want more action. not to find out if i'm beat or not. from my perspective, AK is pretty darn close to the nuts on this flop. i'll do whatever i can to get as much money in the pot as i can (within reason). [/ QUOTE ] Well then you can easily also say you are just getting more $$$ in the pot, as lots won't fold AQ/AJ here. With HU play, most anything you can throw people off with and also gain info about their play is +EV for me.
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#6
12-01-2007, 01:55 PM
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Re: deeeeep 50-100, 2 part heads up hand.
agree. that's why i was confused when you said the reason was 'getting information about his hand'. since that's maybe number 5 on the reasons why i would be doing it. yet you didnt mention reasons 1-4 at all.
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