FT200 4-bet sees a flop

[Nielsio]

Full Tilt Poker, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

BTN: $197
SB: $76.80
BB: $209.15
UTG: $297.95
MP: $69.45
Hero (CO): $195.80

Pre-Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (CO)
2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $7</font>, <font color="red">BTN raises to $24</font>, 2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $79</font>, BTN calls $55

Flop: ($161) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero ..??? ($117 left)


BTN is 18/14/4/234. 5% 3-bet. He has tight stats yet he has a note/color which says that he is aggro-ish/laggish and thus not to be confused with a solid reg.

Villain thinks a couple seconds before calling preflop.

[loosbastard]

How can an 18/14 be aggro/laggish pre-flop?

I C/F. His range is heavily polarized towards TT-QQ and occasionally a poorly played KK/AA (I say poorly played because you clearly aren't folding...so why not just stick it in). He's probably shove/folding AK...and nits never call 4-bets w/ AQ or less. If you really think you can push him off like JJ/QQ, then fire away I guess...but I just don't seem to ever get a fold in this spot.

And FWIW, I personally 4-bet a lot smaller here...but that's really just a style thing. $58 looks good.

[Fat Nicky]

i check/fold. he probably has an overpair that he has no interest in folding on a non A/K flop.

[djj6835]

Your 4 bet size is pretty bad imo. Check fold flop.

[SirFelixCat]

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Your 4 bet size is pretty bad imo. Check fold flop.

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[Nielsio]

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How can an 18/14 be aggro/laggish pre-flop?

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First, I didn't say pre-flop. Second, easy: with the hands that you *do* play, you play them aggro/laggish.

[immesan]

I c/f here he likes his hand enough and he´s going broke on that flop with whatever he called..


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Your 4 bet size is pretty bad imo. Check fold flop.

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Why and how much would you make it? Obv we are not planning to fold..

[RUDIKULOUS]

A 4 bet to 59 accomplishes all the same things that a 4 bet to 80 does and costs you less when you decide to 4 bet bluff.

[djj6835]

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A 4 bet to 59 accomplishes all the same things that a 4 bet to 80 does and costs you less when you decide to 4 bet bluff.

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This and a smaller 4 bet is also more likely to induce villain to shove worse. When you make it 80 villain knows you likely aren't folding the hand preflop but if you make it 60 they may shove AQ/AJ etc thinking you are bluffing. Ideally when we 4 bet pre with AK we still want to see all five cards and have villain shove worse so I would 4 bet small or just shove myself depending on the villain. A larger 4 bet can prevent both of these things from happening.

[pdoran10]

neilso this is yet another hand where your bet sizing is really bad. 4 bet small or 4 bet AI. djj mentioned why this is the appropriate play.