Two Plus Two Newer Archives  

Go Back   Two Plus Two Newer Archives > Other Poker > Omaha/8
FAQ Community Calendar Today's Posts Search

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 09-13-2007, 12:04 AM
TheStation TheStation is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Kansas City, not being weak/tight for now...
Posts: 1,320
Default $3/6 NLO8 2345 flop 2 pair w. big flop bet

UTG is "pro" Steve Zolotow but he is a regular loser in these games, runs 44.9/10.3/1.56

The almost double pot size lead is just what throws me...

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Omaha Hi/Lo Ring game
Blinds: $3/$6
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $600
UTG+1: $843.50
HERO: $585
Button: $202.80
SB: $788.10
BB: $591

Pre-flop: (6 players) HERO is CO with 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, HERO calls, Button calls, SB calls, BB checks.

Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($30, 5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">UTG bets $55</font>, HERO ...
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 09-13-2007, 12:33 AM
davebreal davebreal is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: betting scare cards
Posts: 1,683
Default Re: $3/6 NLO8 2345 flop 2 pair w. big flop bet

I guess his range here is mostly AAxx AA4x KKxx A4Kx AKK4

i tried to write out my analysis a few times, but you might be in a really bad reverse-implied odds hand now. for example, say you call his flop bet, you fill in on the turn, and he open pushes (fairly likely). are you calling? what about if a blank peels off?

unless an ace comes, you're not going to know where you're at. i usually push here with your type of 2 way hand, but hey i never claim to play well. the best way for me to describe your scenario is a straightforward gamble. against a donk like Zolotow an overbet is almost always topset, against better players a low wrap is just as likely.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 09-13-2007, 10:44 AM
bbartlog bbartlog is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 882
Default Re: $3/6 NLO8 2345 flop 2 pair w. big flop bet

I think you should fold. You're behind to KKxx (which actually surprises me, but the lack of backup for your low dents your equity I guess), behind to A4Kx, way behind to A4KK, way behind to AK35, and so on. So pushing seems bad unless you think Zolotow is going to fold here a significant part of the time, which seems unlikely to me.
You do have position if you peel, so it's possible that you can bet a scare card like a 4 and steal the pot. Seems kind of risky though.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 09-15-2007, 03:58 AM
davebreal davebreal is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: betting scare cards
Posts: 1,683
Default Re: $3/6 NLO8 2345 flop 2 pair w. big flop bet

bump.

what did you end up doing?
Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 12:45 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.