10/20 stars kinda big bulff

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i actually pushed the slider all the way to the edge, then for some reason moved it back

but that kinda pschological part is interesting

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i'm actually interested in the results of this one since my read on villain's hand was so different from everyone else...

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umm me too c/c river all the way

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he thought for a while and called with KQ

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Duck, do you think there is a difference between 88 and KQ here? IMO, the only difference is that some people feel AQ/KQ bets the flop a good % of the time, other than that, g-p is hardly ever leading TT or even KQ here imo, so if villian is a thinkin player, he's prob not going to see much of a difference in the two- except in their absolute value, where top pair looks better than second pair.

I don't believe g-p leads this river for value though even with AQ more than like 10% of the time .. and that's assuming he cc with AQ(suited maybe) in this situation.

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i agree with you that they should be the same given g-p's river bet size but i don't think he folds as often as maybe he should (or should he?) because in his mind with KQ or better he played such a strong hand so deceptively that he has induced enough for him to call. whether or not that is true in the long run i don't know, but i think he thinks it is enough to make the call. plus top pair is prettier than 2nd pair.