Bottom set and board keeps getting worse.

Osprey · #1 04-17-2007, 07:14 AM

Villain is 16/7/3.5 have not seen him get out of line. I didn't move on the turn because I wanted a call.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero ($189.65)
MP3 ($234.45)
CO ($107.25)
Button ($494.60)
SB ($200.75)
BB ($252.60)
UTG ($168.80)
UTG+1 ($269.45)
MP1 ($196)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls $2, 2 folds, Hero raises to $8, 4 folds, BB calls $6, UTG calls $6.

Flop: ($25) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB bets $12, UTG folds, Hero raises to $39, BB calls $27.

Turn: ($103) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $76, BB calls $76.

River: ($255) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets $96, Hero calls $66.65 (All-In).

Final Pot: $417.65

Fonkey123 · #2 04-17-2007, 07:42 AM

You are teh toastedz.

Jurrr · #3 04-17-2007, 07:44 AM

Bad spot and you lose often but no other way to play this I think. You cannot fold river getting those odds.

Osprey · #4 04-17-2007, 08:40 AM

you guys ok with turn bet sizing?

HitmanHaydon · #5 04-17-2007, 08:43 AM

Hi, I'm a tourney player trying to learn cash so forgive me if this is a stupid question but, is the preflop raise standard in this situation?
From the cut off or button I can see a raise to isolate the limper and play our possition, but is it not better to just limp behind with a hand like this from mp2? Does it depend on how you assess the players behind you?

Osprey · #6 04-17-2007, 09:08 AM

These 1-2$ tables are extremely weak tight, I find. That raise often picks up the limpers money and the blinds, or you pick it up on your continuation bet.

HitmanHaydon · #7 04-17-2007, 09:30 AM

Does that mean that you'll always come in for a raise with any hand you're going to play if there's a limper in the pot?
What if the limper is UTG and you're UTG+1 with a small pair or similar, overlimp then?
What if theres 2 or 3 limpers?
Does it come back to reads on the players behind, or do you assume most players at this level are weak?

Sorry, if all of this is obvious [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

Osprey · #8 04-17-2007, 09:43 AM

Yeah, I routinely come in with a largeish raise on 2 or 3 limpers from late position and expect to pick it up preflop quite often. I don't do it all the time, I try to have some kind of hand- it gives me good frequency of doing this stuff. I honestly don't get played back at nearly as much as I expected (and certainly nowhere near as much as when I played limit). The really wild 40s-60s VPIP people I tend to avoid doing this with, because they tend to get a little crazy and clingy with any part of a flop. With those guys you need to pick up a hand and they most often do the betting for you.

Panthro · #9 04-17-2007, 09:46 AM

I raise the flop harder. Turn bet is fine.

effang · #10 04-17-2007, 10:56 AM

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I raise the flop harder. Turn bet is fine.

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why raise the flop harder? you're going to fold out all queens on the flop, all jacks, and a lot of draws.