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Old 06-20-2006, 08:41 PM
TheStation TheStation is offline
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Default 1/2 PLO8 - Party - What do you do?

Party Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
8 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $210.80
UTG+1: $306.70
Hero: $566.96
MP2: $194.50
CO: $91.55
Button: $425.50
SB: $189.45
BB: $96

Pre-flop: (8 players) Hero is MP1 with 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG folds, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 raises to $4</font>, Hero calls, MP2 calls, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($28, 7 players)
SB checks, BB folds, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 bets $26.6</font>, Hero calls, MP2 calls, CO calls, Button folds, <font color="#cc0000">SB raises all-in $185.45</font>, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 raises all-in $276.1</font>, Hero...


Stats on Players in hand:
Format: VPIP / Pre Flop Raise / # of Hands
SB: 42.86 / 13.52 / 8425
SuperAgg Likes to push people out of hands
UTG+1: 90.4 / 37.77 / 323
Super LAG, terrible player
MP2: 28.8 / 1.17 / 2313
CO: 38.99 / 6.33 / 395

Added read:
UTG+1 will do this with any A2xx, A3xx, one pair hands, doesnt need much to push, he loses a buyin about every half hour, total maniac, he just likes to do this stuff in spots where he will get half at best cuase hes an idiot like that

So I have:
TPTK
Uncounterfietable low draw
Gutterball straight draw
Backdoor club draw

What do you do? All in?
I feel good about potential side pot with UTG+1 as I feel I have him beat more than 75% of the time

(I will post results in 24 hours)
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Old 06-20-2006, 09:27 PM
neverforgetlol neverforgetlol is offline
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Default Re: 1/2 PLO8 - Party - What do you do?

looks good, those draws really add up.
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Old 06-20-2006, 09:41 PM
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Default Re: 1/2 PLO8 - Party - What do you do?

Your low draw is counterfeitable by 45xx when it comes A2 on turn and river.
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Old 06-20-2006, 09:52 PM
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Default Re: 1/2 PLO8 - Party - What do you do?

A4 on turn and river will counterfeit his low as well.

edit: And 24 also!
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Old 06-20-2006, 10:16 PM
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Default Re: 1/2 PLO8 - Party - What do you do?

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A4 on turn and river will counterfeit his low as well.

edit: And 24 also!

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Due to 63 on flop I am willing to risk the double counterfeit as my live card will probably be good enough - the only bad rnr rnr would be 24 as A5xx hands could take low away, otherwise i think my "live card" will be good

if it was 83 on flop then yes, the double counterfeit would kill me but double counterfeit on 6 high is pretty safe (or safe enough for me)
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Old 06-21-2006, 05:38 AM
Fiasco Fiasco is offline
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Default Re: 1/2 PLO8 - Party - What do you do?

I think this is a raise on the flop. Especially given your read of UTG+1.

I think this is probably a call when it gets back to you too. Im worried about sets and overpairs and theres a great chance that youre quartered (possibly sixthed). On the other hand, from the way you describe them, theres a chance TPTK is good right now. Very high variance call, but I dont mind those at all.

So I say call (I dont see the point in pushing, since UTG+1 has everyone but you covered, unless youre thinking that it will help scare them out of the pot)
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Old 06-21-2006, 10:40 AM
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Default Re: 1/2 PLO8 - Party - What do you do?

I personally am leaning toward a fold. What exactly do you think these people are betting and calling with? Too much of a chance you are up against at least one set and your low draw is no good.
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Old 06-21-2006, 11:12 AM
PorkPieHat PorkPieHat is offline
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Default Re: 1/2 PLO8 - Party - What do you do?

Someone with A2 (reasonable) steals a lot of your equity. Someone with 45 (also the type of hand that a lag would push here) hurts you as well. It's very rare that you will have more than 30% here against good opponents and you can safely fold. Against these 2 it's not that easy. If they are that bad then I let it go and wait for a better opportunity to be way ahead.

You are almost never far enough up on here IMO.
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Old 06-21-2006, 11:38 AM
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Default Re: 1/2 PLO8 - Party - What do you do?

I call, especially based on the opponents who have raised and their stack sizes. Chances seem real good that you will get at least half of the last $117 you are putting in heads up against super-donk UTG +1. I think that part of the bet is +EV. The remainder of the bet you are only paying $149 for a pot that will be $553 after you call, so by math you need 27% Equity to make the call for the portion of the bet from SB (assuming you are the only other caller). I like those odds, especially since you still have draws to a hands that could scoop trips.

Easy call!
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Old 06-21-2006, 12:24 PM
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Default Re: 1/2 PLO8 - Party - What do you do?

The problem for me is the other players...I think that A2 is begging to be quartered. The people going to town may be bad drivers, buts there's a lot more people on the road.
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