3/6 two TPMK hands against PF 3-bettors

bigalt · #1 02-26-2006, 03:02 AM

In each of these hands the 3-bettor is a TAG (though not overly aggressive) and the guy along for the ride is very fishy.

Of course I shouldn't say that since I'm turning pretty fishy myself. I figured I didn't want to look for lines that involved a fold since I had the 3rd guy padding the pot. Do I need to be using the raise or fold buttons?

Hand #1:

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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, Hero raises, 1 fold, CO 3-bets, 3 folds, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (13.33 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, Hero checks, CO bets, UTG+1 calls, MP1 folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (8.16 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero checks, CO bets, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls.

River: (11.16 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero checks, CO bets, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls.

Hand #2:

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Preflop: Hero is CO with 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 2 folds, MP2 calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, Button 3-bets, SB calls, 1 fold, UTG+1 calls, MP2 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: (14 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero checks, Button bets, SB folds, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (8.50 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero checks, Button checks.

River: (8.50 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG+1 bets, Hero raises

JJH3984 · #2 02-26-2006, 03:14 AM

Why are you checking the turn in hand 2? You are giving a free card to a bunch of one card broadway draws.

toss · #3 02-26-2006, 03:31 AM

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In each of these hands the 3-bettor is a TAG (though not overly aggressive) and the guy along for the ride is very fishy.

Of course I shouldn't say that since I'm turning pretty fishy myself. I figured I didn't want to look for lines that involved a fold since I had the 3rd guy padding the pot. Do I need to be using the raise or fold buttons?

Hand #1:

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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, Hero raises, 1 fold, CO 3-bets, 3 folds, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (13.33 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, Hero checks, CO bets, UTG+1 calls, MP1 folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (8.16 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero checks, CO bets, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls.

River: (11.16 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero checks, CO bets, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls.

Hand #2:

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Preflop: Hero is CO with 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 2 folds, MP2 calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, Button 3-bets, SB calls, 1 fold, UTG+1 calls, MP2 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: (14 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero checks, Button bets, SB folds, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (8.50 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero checks, Button checks.

River: (8.50 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG+1 bets, Hero raises

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CR both rivers, fold 1st hand 3bet, call 3bvet in 2nd hand.

bigalt · #4 02-26-2006, 03:37 AM

Protection honestly hadn't crossed my mind-- I was trying to decide whether I was ahead often enough to check-raise here.

Can I fold if he raises my turn donk? If I can't it would be pretty disastrous if he did raise me-- I'm probably crushed, the pot will most likely be padded for me no longer, etc.

akmethod · #5 02-26-2006, 05:28 AM

gotta play like tiger woods on hand #2.... pot equity demands bet/raising on the turn and river