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Old 10-19-2007, 11:39 PM
mongidig mongidig is offline
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Default Raise this flop or wait?

I raise UTG with AdKc and only the loose blinds call.

The flop: QdAsKs

SB bets, BB calls, I decide to call and raise a blank turn.

The turn: QdAsKsTs OOPS!

SB checks, BB bets...What is my plan now?

Should I have just raised the flop?
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Old 10-20-2007, 01:15 AM
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Default Re: Raise this flop or wait?

Your plan to raise a blank turn was fine. This isn't a blank turn. I'd call.
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Old 10-20-2007, 10:20 AM
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Default Re: Raise this flop or wait?

Fold the turn. Small pot, you're beat.
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Old 10-20-2007, 03:27 PM
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Default Re: Raise this flop or wait?

I raise this flop like every time.

I do think you're beat here though.
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Old 10-20-2007, 04:46 PM
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Default Re: Raise this flop or wait?

I think I'd raise the flop here instead. Too often it will get checked to you on a blank turn and you'll lose value, and SB might even 3-bet the flop with a smaller two pair and help you protect your hand.

As played, I'd just fold the turn - pot's just too small.
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Old 10-20-2007, 08:30 PM
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Default Re: Raise this flop or wait?

Raise flop. At least 15 turn cards suck. Plus you get extra monies from loose flop peels that would fold the turn anyway.
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Old 10-20-2007, 09:00 PM
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Default Re: Raise this flop or wait?

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Raise flop. At least 15 turn cards suck.

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Brain,

Would you care to elaborate on why you think this fact suggests a flop raise?
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Old 10-20-2007, 09:20 PM
BrainBanana BrainBanana is offline
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Default Re: Raise this flop or wait?

His hand is most likely ahead, and I like to jam when I am ahead. I think it will make it easier to play later when you define your hand. Waiting for the turn puts you in a lot more tough situations. How wrong am I? Why wait? Am I drunk?.......yes.
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Old 10-21-2007, 12:22 AM
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Default Re: Raise this flop or wait?

I agree with Brain, raising this flop is standard, gets money in when you know you have the best hand, and makes turn decisions easier. These monkeys will call several bets with a gutshot on the flop, but may just choose to check fold a blank turn killing your plan to raise the turn.

I really dislike the line you took.
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Old 10-21-2007, 12:43 AM
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Default Re: Raise this flop or wait?

Another lame spot.

You have ~4 outs but the pot is so small. Even Tommy Angelo who 'allows' himself to incorrectly call to make a full house would probably fold here.

Calling is only an option if SB looks like he is going to fold and BB is a bluffer.
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