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Re: The Right of Privacy
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Ya, I guess being photographed without consent is an interesting philosophical argument. To me it's similar to calling someone fat or ugly. I don't really see a good reason why you shouldn't be able to do it, but it isn't a very nice thing to do. So people will apply consequence. If you go around needlessly insulting people you will be stigmatized and not have many friends. As long as people find a way to make it harder for people to post these pictures anonymously, then there can be the necessary equal and opposite social reaction. [/ QUOTE ] Well I think there's less privacy as a result but not sure how I'd want to change things if at all. I think it will be easy for people to post pictures and stuff anonysmously for a very, very long time as well. We live in interesting times no doubt. |
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I think we are on the same page.
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[ QUOTE ] I think I see what you're getting at. Something to keep in mind is that as it becomes more common for people to easily dig up that picture of you puking into the bushes or making out with a fat chic, social expectations will change in accordance. Since it's easier to find out that your neighbor likes to smoke pot or your old best friend from middle school is gay, people will just get used to interpreting these things as less of a big deal. I think what you're getting at is actually a good thing, as exposure to other peoples' habits encourages tolerance. I tend to think intolerance of others' personal private behaviors really only exists because people aren't exposed to it. So they're biased into thinking it is a big deal and they need to stop it. And of course, like Burgundy said, if something is really that private to you, you just don't post it on the internet (or put yourself in a position where someone else could take a picture of it). [/ QUOTE ] Well it does seem to me like people have been photographed with cell phones and had those pictures put on the internet when they really didn't want that to happen. I guess that will influence people to start shaping up too. [/ QUOTE ] Right, but I think his point was that the reason you are able to insult and judge the people around you who have such embarrassing things come to light is because you are fairly secure in your knowledge that YOUR embarrassing moments were never recorded. As that changes, attitudes will change. |
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Ya, that's basically what I was getting at. Attitudes will change to interpret these things as smaller deals as they become more commonplace.
I agree with adios that we are maybe at a point in time where this can seem uncomfortable. But I just see it as progress, and not a problem. |
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I think I see what you're getting at. Something to keep in mind is that as it becomes more common for people to easily dig up that picture of you puking into the bushes or making out with a fat chic, social expectations will change in accordance. Since it's easier to find out that your neighbor likes to smoke pot or your old best friend from middle school is gay, people will just get used to interpreting these things as less of a big deal. I think what you're getting at is actually a good thing, as exposure to other peoples' habits encourages tolerance. I tend to think intolerance of others' personal private behaviors really only exists because people aren't exposed to it. So they're biased into thinking it is a big deal and they need to stop it. And of course, like Burgundy said, if something is really that private to you, you just don't post it on the internet (or put yourself in a position where someone else could take a picture of it). [/ QUOTE ] Actually I think this raises a pretty interesting thought (and its a complete digression from the OP, which I apologize for), but it will be interesting to see what happens to people from my generation (early to mid 30s)when they start running for high vis. public offices. I think it could actually have the effect of keeping people from running because they know how easy it is to dig up information on your online activities. |
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Surprisingly I'm not talking about abortion. [/ QUOTE ] I just want to point out that I *hate* the fact that a LOT of people use "privacy" as a codeword for "abortion." It just reeks of intellectual dishonesty, and I've gotten blindsided by it a couple of times (e.g. right after Bush announced his cabinet I got into a discussion about Ashcroft's record on privacy. I pointed out that he was pretty decent in this respect (since he was e.g. against key escrow) and I got clobbered with a bunch of "ZOMGWTFBBQ HE HATES ABORTION RETARD"). |
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[ QUOTE ] Surprisingly I'm not talking about abortion. [/ QUOTE ] I just want to point out that I *hate* the fact that a LOT of people use "privacy" as a codeword for "abortion." It just reeks of intellectual dishonesty, and I've gotten blindsided by it a couple of times (e.g. right after Bush announced his cabinet I got into a discussion about Ashcroft's record on privacy. I pointed out that he was pretty decent in this respect (since he was e.g. against key escrow) and I got clobbered with a bunch of "ZOMGWTFBBQ HE HATES ABORTION RETARD"). [/ QUOTE ] This is a very good comment. Though I am pro-life/anti-abortion, I too hate the way the privacy issue has been spun legally by both sides. Other pro-lifers say there is no right to privacy in the constitution, ignoring unenumerated rights and the fact that almost all individuals would consider privacy as a very basic right. And the pro-abortion crowd tries to argue as if 1) a constitutional right to privacy necessarily applies to abortion (as opposed to the primary issue being whether the unborn fetus is a person with rights), and 2) that the federal government rather than the individual states are the proper arbiter of same. Both sides have misconstrued and misused the right to privacy in the debate and litigation on abortion. |
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Some countries, with the US in the front lead, have outlawed cryptography software. With this law in place the state effectively denies the individual the right to accomodate his own electronic privacy. Maybe it is fitting that such software is put under the munitions law because this is truly a disarmament. |
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Some countries, with the US in the front lead, have outlawed cryptography software. ... [/ QUOTE ] Not true as far as I know. In fact you can develop your own for free if you'd like: Open SSL Maybe you mean something else. |
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Re: The Right of Privacy
If you own property and a gun, then you've got some privacy.
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