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Old 11-29-2007, 02:42 AM
whyzze whyzze is offline
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Default Re: 1/2nl cash: 2 pr on 3 flush board

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is taking i flip on the flop so bad? we are not too sure where we are, so it might be quite nice to either take down the pot there and then or flip. not sure if this is a good suggestion though, as there probably is more value to be had.

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Well tbh, its not quite a flip, we are just a little better than that. Only problem is its a flip a best. This hand is SA/WB for getting the cash in. Letting the turn blank shoots our equity through the roof and gets more value.
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Old 11-29-2007, 02:51 AM
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Default Re: 1/2nl cash: 2 pr on 3 flush board

So, we are assuming that we have no fold equity with a shove? If I am the villain in this hand I check raise with a wide range but I am not calling the shove with out a made hand or maybe a monster draw
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Old 11-29-2007, 03:04 AM
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Default Re: 1/2nl cash: 2 pr on 3 flush board

I don't see any problem with just calling the flop and shoving a non spade/non 8 10 turn... atleast our fold/hand equity would be higher and if he folds he now thinks we're tricky
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Old 11-29-2007, 03:22 AM
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Default Re: 1/2nl cash: 2 pr on 3 flush board

This strongly seems like As7 or As9 to me....
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Old 11-29-2007, 10:50 AM
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Default Re: 1/2nl cash: 2 pr on 3 flush board

Turn play: I didnt shove as it was early in the match and I wasn't sure if villain was going for another check raise. I am not sure I ever shove this, would this be a viable option? It seems like I only ever get called by hands that beat me whilst losing value from drawing hands. Clearly if another spade falls I will fold. I think value betting the turn is the better option. Thoughts?
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Old 11-29-2007, 01:01 PM
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Default Re: 1/2nl cash: 2 pr on 3 flush board

I call river for sure. I might actually raise to 76.00 on the flop and shove the turn though too.
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Old 11-29-2007, 02:30 PM
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Default Re: 1/2nl cash: 2 pr on 3 flush board

I felt that raising the flop would result in getting hands that beat me to shove (sets, str8, flushes) and hands with decent equity against me to shove such as combo draws (flush and str8; flush and pair). i felt a safe turn would be a much better option. If others think that raising the flop is better can you explain to me your reasons. Thanks.
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Old 11-29-2007, 07:29 PM
Vinetou Vinetou is offline
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Default Re: 1/2nl cash: 2 pr on 3 flush board

It is the kind of flop where people always have the nuts when they raise you. I guess he had T8? I like how you played it. I would play it the same way, but I wouldn't be thrilled about calling. It is a crying call on the river.
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Old 11-30-2007, 03:22 PM
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Default Re: 1/2nl cash: 2 pr on 3 flush board

NH but never fold river
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Old 11-30-2007, 04:10 PM
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Default Re: 1/2nl cash: 2 pr on 3 flush board

I instafold river.
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