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10-01-2007, 10:34 PM
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Downswing Need Sanity Check from 2+2ers
Thank god I'm practicing bankroll management or I'd be busto. Don't laugh because I'm playing penny poker. I was at $40 and now I'm down to $22. This downswing has occurred over the last 1500-1700 hands (just about 2 weeks).
Villain is 49/20/1 over 100 hands in this particular session. I am 28/7.9/3.8 over 6,700 hands. For some background info, I am very aggressive on the button when it's folded around to me. I will typically raise with any two cards and put out a continuation bet at a passive table. However, the blinds at this table were defenders but passive postflop so I decided to limp with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. Also, I got a read on villain where he raises with junk and limps or sometimes minraises with hands like AA-JJ. I had seen him play draws very aggressively and slow play a monster on a draw heavy board. Finally, he's one of those donks where if he catches any piece of the flop he will call down to the river. This is where I'm currently having issues. Villain plays 50% of his hands so do I assume he's got a weak hand or a draw? Do we really know where we stand in situations like this where villain plays 50% of his hands. It seems like anything falls within his range. How do we play against these types, do we tighten up and trap, or do we push marginal advantages? Ultimate Bet No Limit Holdem Ring game Blinds: $0.01./$0.02. 4 players Converter Stack sizes: UTG: $0.73 Hero: $2.04 SB: $1.16 BB: $2.94 Pre-flop: (4 players) Hero is Button with 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] UTG folds, Hero calls, SB calls, BB checks. Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($0.06, 3 players) SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $0.06</font>, <font color="#cc0000">SB raises to $0.24</font>, BB folds, Hero calls. I decided to just call because I figured I have two pair and he might have AK-A8 or KJ-J9, or a flush draw. Should I have shoved? Like I said before this guy takes any piece of the flop to the river. But he plays his draws aggressively so I put him on a flush draw. His flop AF is 1.75 (turn and river AF get progressively smaller). I was debating shoving but I was a little gun shy because I had just gotten stacked at a different table, so I decided to call. Was this my big mistake? Turn: 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($0.54, 2 players) <font color="#cc0000">SB is all-in $0.9</font>, Hero ???. I ran the numbers on poker stove and it looks like I was quite a bit ahead of his range: Board: Ac 8s Js Dead: equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 64.154% 63.59% 00.57% 86242 770.00 { Jh8h } Hand 1: 35.846% 35.28% 00.57% 47848 770.00 { A2s+, KJs, QJs, J9s+, A5o+, KJo, QJo, J9o+ } Comments/Criticism are VERY welcome AC 
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#4
10-01-2007, 10:47 PM
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Re: Downswing Need Sanity Check from 2+2ers
Based on your read shove the flop..
General comments...Tighten up your spread between VP$IP and PFR%..With a PFR number of 8 I find it very very very hard to believe you are abusing the button in the fashion you say...OTOH If your are raising the button liberally your position play is horrible...Far to much limp calling and or calling raises...Limp calling is lighting money on fire... I would suggest you post your stats(general and position stats) in the thread you seem to have some major leaks in your pre-flop and position play..
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#5
10-01-2007, 11:31 PM
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Re: Downswing Need Sanity Check from 2+2ers
[ QUOTE ]
Based on your read shove the flop.. General comments...Tighten up your spread between VP$IP and PFR%..With a PFR number of 8 I find it very very very hard to believe you are abusing the button in the fashion you say...OTOH If your are raising the button liberally your position play is horrible...Far to much limp calling and or calling raises...Limp calling is lighting money on fire... I would suggest you post your stats(general and position stats) in the thread you seem to have some major leaks in your pre-flop and position play.. [/ QUOTE ] Thanks KEW...Here you go... General Stats over 6,740 hands ================================= VP$IP: 28.13 VP$IP from SB: 40.91 PFR: 7.91 Flop AF: 4.19 Turn AF: 3.44 River AF: 2.86 Total AF: 3.77 Position Stats (Total Hands/VP$IP/ColdCall%/PFR ================================ Button: 1330/36.77/3.76/13.38 1 (Cutoff): 1217/26.29/2.05/7.31 2: 1017/25.27/0.20/7.96 3: 546/24.91/0.00/8.61 BB: 1327/12.13/0.00/4.60 SB: 1303/40.91/0.00/5.91 <--- The VP$IP might be a leak??? Let me know if this is what you're looking for. How can I tell in PT if I'm limping and then calling a raise to much? I there a filter for this? Thanks in advance. AC
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#6
10-01-2007, 11:38 PM
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Re: Downswing Need Sanity Check from 2+2ers
We need to get the easiest issue out of the way first - you are limping in with too many hands preflop. Your VPIP is too high and your PFR too low. You need to learn to tighten up and raise with position. In your example hand, you should raise before the flop! You have great position with a limper in front of you. Position = Value.
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#7
10-02-2007, 01:29 AM
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Re: Downswing Need Sanity Check from 2+2ers
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] Based on your read shove the flop.. General comments...Tighten up your spread between VP$IP and PFR%..With a PFR number of 8 I find it very very very hard to believe you are abusing the button in the fashion you say...OTOH If your are raising the button liberally your position play is horrible...Far to much limp calling and or calling raises...Limp calling is lighting money on fire... I would suggest you post your stats(general and position stats) in the thread you seem to have some major leaks in your pre-flop and position play.. [/ QUOTE ] Thanks KEW...Here you go... General Stats over 6,740 hands ================================= VP$IP: 28.13 VP$IP from SB: 40.91 PFR: 7.91 Flop AF: 4.19 Turn AF: 3.44 River AF: 2.86 Total AF: 3.77 Position Stats (Total Hands/VP$IP/ColdCall%/PFR ================================ Button: 1330/36.77/3.76/13.38 1 (Cutoff): 1217/26.29/2.05/7.31 2: 1017/25.27/0.20/7.96 3: 546/24.91/0.00/8.61 BB: 1327/12.13/0.00/4.60 SB: 1303/40.91/0.00/5.91 <--- The VP$IP might be a leak??? Let me know if this is what you're looking for. How can I tell in PT if I'm limping and then calling a raise to much? I there a filter for this? Thanks in advance. AC [/ QUOTE ] I am sure what I am going to say has already been said(I went to play a session)... You need to tighten up and increase your PFR%...You are playing far far too many hands OOP...Limping into the pot is a bad idea..Standard raise is 4XBB + 1BB per limper..There is no reason to play this many hands at this limit.. I am confused by you post flop aggression figure..How can you be so passive pre-flop but then go wild(compared to PF) after the flop...Limping in as often as you do I can not see you hitting enough flop to justify those post flop aggro numbers... Number #1 most important lesson in NL is the importance of position...Hands that are unplayable from EP are easily +EV from LP... When just learning the game you are much better off playing fewer hands..The number 1 reason new low limit player lose is they simply play to many hands..I would suggest you tighten up to about 18%..Greatly increase your opening raises and ATT to Steal #...
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#9
10-04-2007, 12:50 PM
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Re: Downswing Need Sanity Check from 2+2ers
lolol jerry leveling?? that screenshot proves nothin!!! lololol so funny you cant even realize this...im done.
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#10
10-04-2007, 12:53 PM
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Re: Downswing Need Sanity Check from 2+2ers
Jerry if its working for you then work it. I just find at nl25 and nl 50 the numbers are different.
Is it at 10nl there are so many LPP players that people may not try to raise with anything but premium hands because FE does not really exist at this level? I am really surprised by that PT screenshot but I guess at 10nl you have so many people playing without a solid strategy that maybe it can be marginally +ev to limp more than at hiigher levels. I still contend it is bad advice to give someone that is struggling or a beginner because you need to be really good at post flop play in order to make your way profitable and at this level I bet not many are skilled enough at post flop play to make this style profitable.
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