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Old 09-09-2007, 06:24 PM
ElectricWaffles ElectricWaffles is offline
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Default NL10: Flopped set on monochrome board OOP

Here's a hand I played today

Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.05/$0.10 Blinds - 10 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

Waffles (SB): $9.92
BB: $9.82
UTG: $1.70
UTG+1: $23.38
UTG+2: $5.75
MP1: $8.93
MP2: $16.07
MP3: $9.20
CO: $1.90
BTN: $11.21

Preflop: Waffles is dealt 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (10 Players)
7 folds, BTN calls $0.10, Waffles calls $0.05, BB checks

Flop: ($0.30) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 Players)
<font color="red">Waffles bets $0.30</font>, <font color="red">BB raises to $0.80</font>, BTN folds, <font color="red">Waffles raises to $2.00</font>, <font color="red">BB raises all-in to $9.72</font>, Waffles folds

Pot Size: $12.02

How's my play? I played it fast because I was OOP and wanted to know if I was good ASAP. Good/Bad?

Any input is welcome

Edit: I'd like to add BB is new at the table and is unknown to me
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Old 09-09-2007, 06:32 PM
Keyser112 Keyser112 is offline
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Default Re: NL10: Flopped set on monochrome board OOP

i probably would called the all in hoping that BB had 2 pair, or even top pair and just really overplayed it (this is .05 - 0.1 NL). folding isn't horrible but i do think that you missed some value by not calling.
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Old 09-09-2007, 06:37 PM
ship_it_trebek ship_it_trebek is offline
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Default Re: NL10: Flopped set on monochrome board OOP

I'm not folding bottom set to an unknown at NL10
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Old 09-09-2007, 07:59 PM
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Default Re: NL10: Flopped set on monochrome board OOP

I think you should call here , mainly due to two reasons:
1)His chances of flopping a flush are very small ( about 0.2 % to hit a flush on the flop if I looked it up right.). Of course I know that it happens every now and then, but other holdings are much more likely.
2)I think his flop shove to your rereraise is at this level rather a sign that he wants to protect his hand from being outdrawn. Though he could do this with a small flush, I think he is rather holding something like AT or maybe KT, maybe with a single heart.
I'd call here, too...
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Old 09-09-2007, 07:59 PM
I'mVeryBusy I'mVeryBusy is offline
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Default Re: NL10: Flopped set on monochrome board OOP

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I'm not folding bottom set to an unknown at NL10

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Old 09-09-2007, 08:10 PM
ElectricWaffles ElectricWaffles is offline
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Default Re: NL10: Flopped set on monochrome board OOP

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I think you should call here , mainly due to two reasons:
1)His chances of flopping a flush are very small ( about 0.2 % to hit a flush on the flop if I looked it up right.). Of course I know that it happens every now and then, but other holdings are much more likely.
2)I think his flop shove to your rereraise is at this level rather a sign that he wants to protect his hand from being outdrawn. Though he could do this with a small flush, I think he is rather holding something like AT or maybe KT, maybe with a single heart.
I'd call here, too...

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I like the reasoning here, I'll think about that next time. If he was holding a single heart and a pair i'm still way ahead right?
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Old 09-09-2007, 08:11 PM
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Default Re: NL10: Flopped set on monochrome board OOP

You played it fine except for the fold.
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Old 09-09-2007, 08:13 PM
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Default Re: NL10: Flopped set on monochrome board OOP

I try to get all in on this flop.

If he has the flush you have lots of outs to suck out.

If he has anything else (other than over-set) then you are a HUGE favorite.
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Old 09-09-2007, 08:17 PM
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Default Re: NL10: Flopped set on monochrome board OOP

5,669,133 games 3.390 secs 1,672,310 games/sec

Board: 6h Th 2h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 69.893% 70.19% 00.00% 3979093 0.00 { 2c2s }
Hand 1: 30.107% 30.23% 00.00% 1714011 0.00 { AhTd }

You re a huge fav...
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Old 09-10-2007, 02:33 AM
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Default Re: NL10: Flopped set on monochrome board OOP

At .05-.10, he's got it 50% of the time. Maniacs and donks (i.e. not the loose pre-flop, weak passive post-flop people who make up the majority of players at this level) aside, aggression (especially a 4-bet) is usually a reliable sign that they're telling you the truth here.

The rest of the time you're a huge favourite. You don't have reads or stats on the BB, which I think are very important in this case. If he's a maniac or a donk, weight it towards him not having it. Anything else, weight it towards him having it.

If he does have it, you're getting ~1.4:1, which is not enough to call (you need about ~1.9:1, regardless of how high his flush is). If he doesn't have it, the majority of the time you're getting 1:2.

Doing a quick and dirty EV calc, for you to get it in you need him not to have it a little less than 40% of the time for it to be a +EV call.

Is he not a weak passive fish 40% of the time? Maybe, maybe not, but it's probably close either way, so it's not a mistake to call, especially given the fuzziness of the assumptions (notwithstanding I hate requiring several assumptions to be accurate in order for a play to be +EV).

If you knew he was passive though, it would be a mistake to call, just like if you knew he wasn't, it would be a mistake to fold.
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