to VB .. or not to VB .. that is my question

[matrix]

Party Poker, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

UTG: $39.39
MP: $81.90
Hero (CO): $54.53
BTN: $49.25
SB: $114.20
BB: $51.45

Pre-Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (CO)
UTG calls $0.50, MP calls $0.50, <font color="red">Hero raises to $3</font>, 3 folds, UTG calls $2.50, MP folds

Flop: ($7.25) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
UTG checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($7.25) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
UTG checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $5</font>, UTG calls $5

River: ($17.25) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
UTG checks, Hero Value bets - or checks behind?

i) v TAG
ii) v lagtard
iii) vs Loose Passive station

comments and beratements on Heros line are appreciated vs this 50/14/1.5 Party donk.

[EMc]

Why doesnt hero CB?

[kroeliewoelie]

If UTG is either TAG or lagtard he will never take this line. Versus a calling station I valuebet.

[matrix]

I didn't think this was a great spot to CB seeing as villain calls ~90% of CB's and I am actively trying to keep my CB% closer to ~65ish - tho thats a whole different thread.

[kaz2107]

i cbet here all day baring some ultra weird read. and then i prolly check behind on the river most times. if we bet we r HIGHLY repping a K here and i dont see us getting called down light enough to make a bet profitable. but i think by not cbetting it makes this thing so much more difficult to play

[kaz2107]

[ QUOTE ]
I didn't think this was a great spot to CB seeing as villain calls ~90% of CB's and I am actively trying to keep my CB% closer to ~65ish - tho thats a whole different thread.

[/ QUOTE ]if he calls alot of hands preflop and doesnt fold flops then AQ is a [censored] valuebet on the flop

[creamfillin]

V-bet always. If you check you'll find alot of 88,99,Tx,QJ hands that you could of gotten value out of.

[doppelganger]

grunch:

i. Vs. a TAG this should be an easy check through. Villain will fold with nothing and the river completes a few draws. He would call w/ a K and c/r with a straight.

ii. Lagtard - I assume this means someone would would bluff c/r the river, so I will just check through here as well. Getting blown off the best hand would be a tragedy.

iii. Easy VB against a calling station, here's my logic: His call on the turn will mean either air, a pair of 4's, 7's, T's, K's, or some middle PP. All of those things will call our bet (except maybe strong K's which will raise and we can then fold, or air which will fold.) and we are ahead of the majority of that calling range.

I guess I consider this villain a mix between ii and iii, so it really depends on his river tendencies. Most likely I'd value bet though, since his range will include a lot of pairs that are calling and very few cards that beat us.

[matrix]

Party Poker, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

UTG: $39.39
MP: $81.90
Hero (CO): $54.53
BTN: $49.25
SB: $114.20
BB: $51.45

Pre-Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (CO)
UTG calls $0.50, MP calls $0.50, <font color="red">Hero raises to $3</font>, 3 folds, UTG calls $2.50, MP folds

Flop: ($7.25) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
UTG checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $5</font>, UTG calls $5

Turn: ($17.25) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
UTG checks, Hero ??

OK so I have rewritten history - Hero now takes a stnd line and CB's flop - UTG instacalls.

Now what's the plan?

If UTG leads the turn for 1/2-2/3rds if I take this line I tend to fold and kick something...

[creamfillin]

Check. Double barreling this guy is spew, we have alot of equity, lets see a river.