LO8, Optimum way to get maximum value out of strong made hands.

[sfgiants]

I'm looking for ways to get more value out of my strong made hands. In the example below, I flop top set and get raised. Against an unknown opponent, would I get more value by just calling here and then ramming/jamming on the turn in hopes of pulling my opponent along until we get to the big bet rounds? Or should I start ramming and jamming immediately?

I know that in general giving free cards and/or pulling opponents along in Omaha8 is an ill-advised idea. However, if there is only one low card on a dry flop, and I have a strong made hand, could stringing the opponent along be an acceptable approach?

Pokerstars
Limit Omaha Ring game
Limit: $2/$4
9 players
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Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is MP3 with 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, 2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises</font>, CO calls, 2 folds, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (10.5SB, 5 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">CO raises</font>, 3 folds, Hero ????

[Buzz]

Giant Fan - Good post.

Interesting question.

I certainly would want to re-raise.

However, I don't know what will happen if you do re-raise the flop. Will CO read you for what you have and back off on the turn or not?

I think it depends a lot on how CO perceives you.

However, in general I'd re-raise here.

Buzz

[bbartlog]

get more value out of my strong made hands

The main thing is to bet enough other hands and situations that people can't easily get a lot of information from your rare 3-bets/raises.
I would definitely 3-bet the hand you show, although it does have two low cards and you may not be ahead (in terms of overall equity) in the hand.

[J_V]

In the example you give calling would clearly be correct against a standard opponent.

If you can get two big bets in on a clean turn card that is way more valuable than an extra small bet on the flop where your equity won't be near as good against his range.

[RobNottsUk]

Because the CO's likely feeling you out, hoping you cbet with a 'busted' A2xx. I think 3-betting the flop is good, but then slow down if the turn's a 4 especially, though 5 might be bad to.

The problem is that CO could have something like 532dKd, where the made Lo + flush draw, becomes a nice free-roll against your hand. Similar Hi hand wrap possibilties, could have tempted the CO to make a free card play. It could also be 2nd set Q's with a better Lo draw than yours.

Argues to me, to get the money in whilst you can, and bet/call turn unless you can narrow their raising hand down, in which case check/call on a scare card.

Near this level, I have had 1 or 2 opponents make good free card plays on the flop, most often it's an opponent trying to isolate me and hoping I've A2xx and cbet.

Another hand that happened, I flopped a full house + good Lo draw, and faced unexpected aggressive raises. The Fishy opponent was on a wheel str8 draw + Lo draw (didn't care about A's full possibility), and caught runner-runner cards to scoop me both ways!

[HLS2k6]

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However, if there is only one low card on a dry flop, and I have a strong made hand, could stringing the opponent along be an acceptable approach?

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I totally disagree with calling in the hand you posted against a standard opponent. In fact, I think calling with the nuts here is terrible, and the hand meets none of the characteristics you described above:

1) this is not a dry board at all.
2) a set is not a made hand on a board with this many draws that beat it.
3) you can't be guaranteed to get 2 bets in on the turn because you're out of position. if he's drawing he could check behind on a blank turn. admittedly, this is going to be a tough hand to play out of position when certain turn or river cards come, but that's not a good argument to get fancy on the flop.
4) it's heads-up.
5) at low limits the default move should be to play straight ahead. let this guy pound back all day with an underset or 2 pair, instead of seeing monsters under the bed in the form of huge draws that haven't come in yet. yes the turn might be the 5 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], but it also might pair the board or be as close to a blank as this board allows (a black 9 or something).