DERB - Page 12

PokerBob · #**111** 05-04-2005, 09:58 AM

If Party can use screen-scrapes, why can't a computer savy guy as well? That said, if the guy is capping ATo, that means someone 3-bet, and that someone likely has ATo in trouble.

stoxtrader · #**112** 05-04-2005, 10:15 AM

i've logged hands against the guy and think he plays good.

he certainly gets value out of me when i make a 2nd best.

BarronVangorToth · #**113** 05-04-2005, 10:34 AM

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i've logged hands against the guy and think he plays good.

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I've been watching this thread the last few days and while I haven't gone as high as the Party 30 game, there are certainly enough people out there to watch this guy and get a better feel for the game.

I am not of the belief that someone can't have those stats and be a winning player OR a good player - he would be certainly very non-traditional, but he could have developed a style that is suited well to his image / metagame.

The best idea is to get as much information as possible as it's certainly best to examine if he has got onto something rather than blindly dismiss him as a lucky so-and-so or anything.

Barron Vangor Toth
www.BarronVangorToth.com

Andrew Prock · #**114** 05-04-2005, 11:24 AM

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He can't win and thats a guarantee.

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You're ignorance is brutal.

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I agree 100%

There are many players who play loose and win in high limit games. This is just one of many. To think otherwise is pure arrogance.

- Andrew

www.pokerstove.com

spoohunter · #**115** 05-04-2005, 11:28 AM

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Nevermind the 30/17, he just plain plays bad.

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You're missing the point. There's no place in understanding poker for "this CANNOT BE this". Maybe someone can have a 30 VPIP and be a winning player. Maybe they cannot. There is no way we can tell for sure at this incomplete stage of poker knowledge.

Absolutes are for idiots and the narrow minded.

BarronVangorToth · #**116** 05-04-2005, 11:44 AM

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There's no place in understanding poker for "this CANNOT BE this". Maybe someone can have a 30 VPIP and be a winning player. Maybe they cannot. There is no way we can tell for sure at this incomplete stage of poker knowledge.

Absolutes are for idiots and the narrow minded.

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I think you're absolutely correct.

Barron Vangor Toth
www.BarronVangorToth.com

brick · #**117** 05-04-2005, 01:25 PM

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There's no place in understanding poker for "this CANNOT BE this". Maybe someone can have a 30 VPIP and be a winning player. Maybe they cannot. There is no way we can tell for sure at this incomplete stage of poker knowledge.

Absolutes are for idiots and the narrow minded.

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I think you're absolutely correct.

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At least you acknowledge that there is an upper limit of looseness where a great player can no longer win.

James282 · #**118** 05-04-2005, 01:27 PM

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He can't win and thats a guarantee.

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You're ignorance is brutal.

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I agree 100%

There are many players who play loose and win in high limit games. This is just one of many. To think otherwise is pure arrogance.

- Andrew

www.pokerstove.com

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You guys are morons. J_V is saying this particular player can't win and that's a guarantee, not that someone with those stats can't win. Get off your high horses and come sit in the game and WATCH the guy before you go calling him ignorant. You guys are your cliche "think outside the box" arguments just sound incredibly foolish to people that have logged a significant number of hands with this guy. You are being results oriented. Go back and read an old thread by ZeeJustin where he outlines "sharks" with a similar strategy. Hint: these "significant winners" all went bust inside a month.

A guy as smart as ZeeJustin is fooled by their short term results so I can understand why people are in this instance as well, but if you haven't played a lot with this guy then don't render judgments on a guy like J_V whom I know has logged significant hours with him.
Jesus.
-James

Dids · #**119** 05-04-2005, 01:47 PM

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He can't win and thats a guarantee.

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You're ignorance is brutal.

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Awesome.

Sully · #**120** 05-04-2005, 01:52 PM

I've played a decnt amount in the 30 game, but I don't datamine, so I have nowhere near the stats that some of you have to search through. For the life of me, I can't figure out who this is, although I have a few possiblities.

I respect the fact that we don't throw around others screen names in the public forum...but if a PM is appropriate, I would appreciate it. I would like to see what I could learn from this player...I think it could really be educational.