Live 40/80 hand

[tradingman123]

Borgata 40 game. Table is playing normal, maybe slightly on the tight side.

Villain in this hand is Joe (Korean guy) for those that play in these games.

Joe opens UTG, I call with 88.

Flop is K/3/4, rainbow. Ck/ck.

Turn is a 7. I bet, Joe calls.

River is another 7, what do I do? Bet/fold, ck/call, ck/fold?

[mmcd]

Check/raise or check/fold. I don't know this guy, but I think QQ or the like is probably his most likely hand if he bets the river.

[UMTerp]

What's your image? You're in the blinds I assume? If I were to play 88 here (I don't think you're necessarily of Joe's UTG range), I'd 3-bet preflop from anywhere but the big blind.

And value bet the river as played. I'd be pretty surprised if Joe raises you here (he doesn't have a 7, and he's usually fairly aggressive on the earlier streets), but if he does, I think whether to call or fold depends a lot on what he thinks of you.

[dcb777]

bet/fold or check call seem ok here given level of trickeness of opponnent. Opponent reads seem important here.

[npknhldr]

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If I were to play 88 here I'd 3-bet preflop from anywhere but the big blind.

And value bet the river as played.

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I like c/c as much to induce a bluff as believing you're behind.

c/c >> b/f >> b/c >> c/f

3bet from sb? I'd fold to standard utg raiser's range. 3betting 88 oop from sb is spewy imo, unless it's against a specific player that you want to make a play against.

[mmcd]

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I like c/c as much to induce a bluff as believing you're behind.

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What worse hands raise UTG, call the turn, and don't have showdown value?

If he called the turn with AQ or AJ, it was probably with the hope of getting a free showdown. If he bets the river 88 is definately in bad shape.

[UMTerp]

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3bet from sb? I'd fold to standard utg raiser's range. 3betting 88 oop from sb is spewy imo, unless it's against a specific player that you want to make a play against.

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If I'm playing 88 from the SB against an UTG raiser (and I'm second in), I'll 3-bet it almost every time. Why would you want the pot 3-handed OOP?

Maybe it's a leak, I dunno. If it is, I don't think it's much of one. And I'll fold it against a lot of UTG raisers, especially live.

[drbk2]

Against Yong Jo, you are almost 100% beat here. He occasionally calls this down with Ace high but only if you have been playing really out of line. And if you bet the river you are getting called, even though it is semi scary for a hand like QQ or JJ. His raising range in early position is pretty tight and he likes to limp with a lot of very raiseable hands. So all this rambling I am pretty much saying that I would probably muck 88 here preflop.

[dcb777]

good insight, that I didn't have.

[AragornX151]

Don't really like calling an UTG raiser who's not getting out of line much with 88 without multi-way action...