Two hands Late in a 1 dollar tournament

[Larude]

First hand, two tables left:

Prima Poker skin
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $600/$1200
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $4896.80
UTG+1: $14916.95
CO: $12043.00
Button: $12981.25
Hero: $19283.76
BB: $15964.04

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is SB with 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
4 folds, Hero calls, BB checks.

Flop: 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($2400, 2 players)
Hero checks, BB checks.

Turn: 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($2400, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $1800</font>, <font color="#cc0000">BB raises to $3600</font>, Hero calls.

River: 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($9600, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">BB is all-in $12364.04</font>, Hero calls.

What is the BB's range here when he goes allin and raised the flop with (assume no complete bluffs please)??? And would you played the hand different somewhere?

Prima Poker skin FINAL TABLE
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $1000/$2000
7 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $20443.00
UTG+1: $30518.18
Hero: $59347.80
CO: $7994.80
Button: $16945.18
SB: $13171.04
BB: $6080.00

Pre-flop: (7 players) Hero is MP1 with 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG folds, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 raises all-in $30518.18</font>, Hero folds...

I folded because the tournament payoutstructure is very heavily skewed to the top 4 places and didn't wanna risk my chiplead against that guy on what probably is a 50/50 on average; 99/TT 77/66 might also be his range I guess. What do you guys think???

[Zizz]

First Hand: With no information about the player I'm not sure what to tell you. He could have turned a straight, he could have a 3, possibly a 7, or could be on a bluff (I think it's incorrect to assume no complete bluffs). I think a flush is doubtful. You have to decide the likelihood of these possiblities based on how aggressive he has played in general and in other sb vs. bb confrontations post-flop.
BUT with all that said I might have just folded preflop. If I did call I probably would have checked the flop and then bet the turn. After his raise I would have jammed it instead of calling. Your hand is good but the turn was an ugly card and you are OOP (stacks are shallow so not too big of deal but still a negative).
Hand 2: Fold is good.

[MJBuddy]

Bet the flop ffs in #1.

[helter skelter]

Hand #1

I don't know if it is the right play or not, but I would have slowplayed the flop just like you did. Probably I would have bet more on the turn because it's starting to look drawy and would have re-raised allin for that same reason. Maybe he'll fold a hand that could outdraw me. As played, I'm checking the river. He may be scared into cking a better hand and I can get to showdown without getting crippled, but I grit my teeth and call when he bets.

Hand #2

This is I think the range you were asking about

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 45.186% 44.50% 00.69% 6407046 98925.00 { 8h8s }
Hand 1: 54.814% 54.13% 00.69% 7793356 98926.50 { 66+, ATs+, KQs, AJo+


If I use the slider to select top 10.3 % of hands, it gives me this range and the equity is roughly the same

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 45.332% 44.76% 00.58% 4834050 62344.50 { 8h8s }
Hand 1: 54.668% 54.09% 00.58% 5842470 62345.00 { 77+, A9s+, KTs+, QTs+, AJo+, KQo }


You have to move the slider down alot further for it to include 66, so I guess that is considered a marginal hand.


It seems his range SHOULD be at least top 10% , 7 handed in that position, but how people actually play may be different.

I plugged one of these in a worksheet, since they are roughtly the same, and it showed -1.6% chip ev


Next, I tried this range

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 51.908% 51.24% 00.67% 9545201 124141.50 { 8h8s }
Hand 1: 48.092% 47.43% 00.67% 8834488 124142.00 { 22+, AJs+, KQs, AJo+ }


Calling here would clearly would be + chip ev, but this got me to fool around with the ICM calculator to see if it would be + $ ev. You can only plug in the top 3 prizes but I wanted to try using it to get a rough idea of how the skewing changes things.

When I plug in the player stacks and a prize pool representing the skewing with 50% of the remaining prize pool going to 1st, 30% to 2nd and 20% to 3rd, it shows that calling would be a mistake even for this range. It would be -1% $ ev after all the calculations. So, overall, it suggests that calling should be tigher on the final table for a given range. Using ICM like this could be wrong, however, so maybe others can comment on final table play.

[Pokerfarian]

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Calling here would clearly would be + chip ev, but this got me to fool around with the ICM calculator to see if it would be + $ ev. You can only plug in the top 3 prizes but I wanted to try using it to get a rough idea of how the skewing changes things.

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ICM calculators that can do top 9 certainly exist for free download online, I cant remember where mine came from but someone should have a link

[Sykes]

Bet flop in hand #1 because that's what you'd do with 2 cards and seeing as you didn't do that, please push the turn when he raises you.

[helter skelter]

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ICM calculators that can do top 9 certainly exist for free download online, I cant remember where mine came from but someone should have a link

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Can you tell me the name of yours and I can google it.

[McMelchior]

Free web based ICM calculator

[helter skelter]

This is the one I used. I thought he was talking about top 9 prizes.

[Pokerfarian]

I was, mine says it was written by New York Jet on the 2+2 forums &amp; is just called ICM Calculator