20/180 - good thought process or spew?

[Bikini Wax]

Reads: I've seen villain play AK very passive on a similar board... my general feeling about the hand was that AT wasnt in his range pf, so maybe a set... but with the size of my cbet he seemed to raise to keep himself enough FE...
thoughts?

PokerStars Game #11379825453: Tournament #57732018, $20+$2 Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2007/08/08 - 15:50:02 (ET)
Table '57732018 16' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: Hicksd (2200 in chips)
Seat 2: Rendall 11 (3270 in chips)
Seat 3: camata (820 in chips)
Seat 4: Mlyder (1885 in chips)
Seat 5: stickydeck (1885 in chips)
Seat 6: Kurdistan47 (3962 in chips)
Seat 8: ReyDean (1838 in chips)
Seat 9: Skill Game (2410 in chips)
camata: posts small blind 50
Mlyder: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Skill Game [Kh Js]
stickydeck: folds
Kurdistan47: folds
ReyDean: folds
Skill Game: raises 200 to 300
Hicksd: folds
Rendall 11: calls 300
camata: folds
Mlyder: folds
*** FLOP *** [8s Tc Ah]
Skill Game: bets 350
Rendall 11: raises 500 to 850
Skill Game: raises 1260 to 2110 and is all-in

[topherh82]

fold preflop.

[Bikini Wax]

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fold preflop.

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please post something more meaningful, CO/BTN were incredibly tight

[topherh82]

Ignoring the fold preflop suggestion, If the button was incredibly tight, why are you 3 bet-pushing KJo on that board? What are you planning on getting him to fold? He doesnt have JJ-KK here, as he woulda re-raised preflop given your read. chances are he is in there with AT+, or 88 or TT.

As for my suggestion about preflop, the blinds are so small they are really worth stealing at this point and betting for value with KJo from MP3 or so isnt a very good idea

[Bikini Wax]

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Ignoring the fold preflop suggestion, If the button was incredibly tight, why are you 3 bet-pushing KJo on that board? What are you planning on getting him to fold? He doesnt have JJ-KK here, as he woulda re-raised preflop given your read. chances are he is in there with AT+, or 88 or TT.

As for my suggestion about preflop, the blinds are so small they are really worth stealing at this point and betting for value with KJo from MP3 or so isnt a very good idea

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I understand the point you make about PF... but postflop I felt like his range was polarized to 88/TT or air...

[tomek322]

I don't understand, he has to call 1200 for 3,700... not sure how this isn't spew. He calls this with any ace.

[Zizz]

I think the preflop raise is fine. Especially if the players behind us are tight and are going to be folding the majority of the time.
You saw him play AK passively on a similar "board". How exactly did that hand play out where he played it passively? Was it a preflop raise, a call, and a cbet? Was it a multi-way pot? Was he the preflop raiser? How that hand played out is crucial if you are going to use that information to make a play here.
With that said, I don't like the play. The player is tight and he has raised our flop bet while we only have a gutshot. I would fold and move on.

[Yoshi63]

Jamming here is pretty ugly without a very specific read on villian, I think. It looks like he's probably folding to your shove about 2% of the time, if that.

You don't have odds to call your gutshot, so easy fold here.

[chh]

unless I can read villain on specifically 2 cards under 8 that are not a pair, this is spew.