ask me about being a online and live prop.

[daddypoker23]

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I used to be a silent prop, and I found it shocking how many props sat down with absolutely no experience, how many were losing players, etc. I guess the casino that I used to "work" at didn't have a screening. Do you ask basic questions, or is it play at your own risk?
I am not going to disclose how much the props got paid or what I got paid (fyi, silent props get paid less), but I can't imagine them living good on what they were getting paid. If you want to add more thoughts, feel free. Just something to move the discussion.

I always tell people that no more than 5% of players are winning players, do you agree with this?

A common argument against this is that a prop is among winning players. I always laugh at this.

What are some of the reasons you feel that losing prop continue their job?

How do you deal with losing props?

Do you ever pull them aside and say "hey, no offense...."

One prop I knew lost 2,000 BBs before he finally hung it up.

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Their is no screening to become a movable or silent prop and thats probably one of many reasons why their is such a high turn out rate.

list below is some of the reasons why props don't survive
-they dont have the proper br
-their not winning poker players therefore use their paycheck to cover their losses consistently.
-they borrow money from some of the regs and never pay back. which gives a bad rep to the casino which costs them there job (only happen once that i know of)



Out of the 7 movable props that we have at our casino

-1 winning poker player

-2 break even player, who survives on their paycheck

-3 slight loser

-1 donkey who probably loses more then what he makes, but the only reason why he continues to play is because he could afford it.. his retired and gets two retirement checks from his past jobs every month.. only reason he props is to get out of the house. well thats what he told me.


silent prop-9

4-winning poker players
3- break even players
2- slight loser

host-4
4- were all winning players, and to be honest am probably the worse player out of the 4... we dont play against eachother. we all have different schedules which overlaps at times.

note- we probably get 2-3 new movable props every month and since the first day that i started (6months ago) i have yet to see a new prop survive longer then 2months. the scale that i made up top are the prop players who have done this longer then me.

[Torello]

Can the movable props set a max game? i.e. they can be put into 3-6 through 40-80, but won't be forced to play 100-200 or above if they don't want to?

It would kind of suck to be a decent 20-40 player propping and be forced to play a game you either aren't rolled for, or aren't +EV in.

[Assani Fisher]

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I think its been asked, but I don't see the answer...

Are you constantly moving from game to game? Seems like once a game gets good you would be forced to move, severely limiting any profit (other than what the house pays you, obv)

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GREAT QUESTION! their are different type of props and i've done all of them.

movable prop- your job is to start games. and once its filled up and their is a waiting list your required to get up and give up your seat.. your normally play about 6-7 different games within a 8 hr period. I have a good friend who is a movable prop and loves it, because he gets bored just playing one type of game for 8 hrs. but for me I absolutely hated it.. so it all depends on you.

silent prop- you just sit down at the poker game you applied for. and play your 8hrs and then leave. you dont get up if their is a waiting list. you dont move to a better game, you just sit down and grind it out.

host poker player (my current position)- I can move to any game that i want, if am playing in a game that has bunch of rocks and their is a waiting list then i just give up my seat and move to a better game. i also contact the regs and let them know about certain promotions that were having. I absolute love my job!

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Why would the casinos ever hire silent props instead of movable ones? Do they pay them less? Seems like a total waste of the casino's money to be paying someone to play in a game that has a waiting list.

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[daddypoker23]

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Can the movable props set a max game? i.e. they can be put into 3-6 through 40-80, but won't be forced to play 100-200 or above if they don't want to?

It would kind of suck to be a decent 20-40 player propping and be forced to play a game you either aren't rolled for, or aren't +EV in.

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before your hired as a prop player your going to know what games your expected to play. thats when you decide if you want to take the job or not, so their wont be any surprises once you start.

[daddypoker23]

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I think its been asked, but I don't see the answer...

Are you constantly moving from game to game? Seems like once a game gets good you would be forced to move, severely limiting any profit (other than what the house pays you, obv)

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GREAT QUESTION! their are different type of props and i've done all of them.

movable prop- your job is to start games. and once its filled up and their is a waiting list your required to get up and give up your seat.. your normally play about 6-7 different games within a 8 hr period. I have a good friend who is a movable prop and loves it, because he gets bored just playing one type of game for 8 hrs. but for me I absolutely hated it.. so it all depends on you.

silent prop- you just sit down at the poker game you applied for. and play your 8hrs and then leave. you dont get up if their is a waiting list. you dont move to a better game, you just sit down and grind it out.

host poker player (my current position)- I can move to any game that i want, if am playing in a game that has bunch of rocks and their is a waiting list then i just give up my seat and move to a better game. i also contact the regs and let them know about certain promotions that were having. I absolute love my job!

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Why would the casinos ever hire silent props instead of movable ones? Do they pay them less? Seems like a total waste of the casino's money to be paying someone to play in a game that has a waiting list.

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Am not sure of all the reasons why its profitable for the casino to hire silent prop, but what i do know is your paying rake like any other person in casino. as you know l.a drops 5 dollars a hand.. which ends up costing me about 15-18 a hr just on the drop alone. so if you really think about the casino isnt really paying me much.

[daveT]

Like to add, not as a high-jack.

The main reason casinos want props is because most people don't like to play short-handed games. If the table goes to 6-handed, the game is probably going to break, and it will break once one player leaves. It is better to bring in two props and pay them than lose the rake.

Silent props are necessary because many players do not like playing against props. A silent prop does not reveal what he is, so the players have no idea they are playing a prop. A great way to break a game is to sit three props down at a six-handed game. A silent prop is a good way to circumvent this.

It's all about keeping the fish happy.

[AngusThermopyle]

San Jose:
Props have to get a license (including background check) from the City, like all casino employees, and must wear their badges at all times (even when off duty) when in the cardroom.
They can negotiate what limits they are willing to play. The higher the limits, the higher the pay.

[Captain R]

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San Jose:
Props have to get a license (including background check) from the City, like all casino employees, and must wear their badges at all times (even when off duty) when in the cardroom.
They can negotiate what limits they are willing to play. The higher the limits, the higher the pay.

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As I understand it, some casinos also pay a form of pre-tax "rakeback" to help cover the drop/rake as an expense.

[daveT]

That is true, Captain. I had the sort of deal that you are talking about.

[ATrebek]

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The main reason casinos want props is because most people don't like to play short-handed games. If the table goes to 6-handed, the game is probably going to break, and it will break once one player leaves. It is better to bring in two props and pay them than lose the rake.


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This was my understanding as well, which is why I didn't get the "host" prop position that doesn' thave to move off a filled game with a list.