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3-way river with 2nd pair. Valuetown?
Hi guys
I was asked to do a video playing low limit. Came across this hand early on in which I end up in a bit of a unfamiliar spot. I have been thinking about it ever since Button here seemed to be a huge old school loose passive fish BB seemed TAGgish. But as I remember I wasnt quite sure at that point in time. My thinking here is that I almost always beat BB who either has AK, AT or possibly AJ. Do I still have a valuebet? Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (6 handed) Party Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums) Preflop: Hero is CO with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, Button calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB 3-bets</font>, Hero calls, Button calls. Flop: (9.50 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, Button calls, BB calls. Turn: (7.75 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, Button calls, BB calls. River: (10.75 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> BB checks, Hero ?? |
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Re: 3-way river with 2nd pair. Valuetown?
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Hi guys I was asked to do a video playing low limit. Came across this hand early on in which I end up in a bit of a unfamiliar spot. I have been thinking about it ever since Button here seemed to be a huge old school loose passive fish BB seemed TAGgish. But as I remember I wasnt quite sure at that point in time. My thinking here is that I almost always beat BB who either has AK, AT or possibly AJ. Do I still have a valuebet? Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (6 handed) Party Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums) Preflop: Hero is CO with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, Button calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB 3-bets</font>, Hero calls, Button calls. Flop: (9.50 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, Button calls, BB calls. Turn: (7.75 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, Button calls, BB calls. River: (10.75 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> BB checks, Hero ?? [/ QUOTE ] I check this every time, but I am bad at value betting the river. I think the button's range is made up of too many weakish queens and Jx (most of which you beat, but not AJ/KJ), and of course T9 just got there. |
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Re: 3-way river with 2nd pair. Valuetown?
I bet-fold but it might be for the wrong reason that if I check, I'll call. The btn will be calling with a lot of his hands, making my mistake much smaller if BB has us beat.
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Re: 3-way river with 2nd pair. Valuetown?
it is probably impossible to accurately get a range for the loose passive button, but what do you think of this:
KJs-K9s, QTs-Q6s, J6s+, T9s, KJo-K9o, QTo-Q9o, J9o+, T9o Against this range we have 45% equity. edit: I forgot AJs and AJo, so that would drop our equity even lower. |
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Re: 3-way river with 2nd pair. Valuetown?
Ya that range looks about right. I do think he has 98 and T8 as well tho and lower pp's and something like bottom pair.
Hmmm. Looks like I missed a bit of value |
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Re: 3-way river with 2nd pair. Valuetown?
call flop
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Re: 3-way river with 2nd pair. Valuetown?
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call flop [/ QUOTE ] I am 100% sure that would be a mistake |
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Re: 3-way river with 2nd pair. Valuetown?
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Ya that range looks about right. I do think he has 98 and T8 as well tho and lower pp's and something like bottom pair. Hmmm. Looks like I missed a bit of value [/ QUOTE ] if you check, button bets, and the tag folds, do you think you have a clear call, a clear fold or it's close? if it's close then you should probably bet, because there are more worse hands that will call than those that will bet. if it's a clear call or a clear fold, then your decision becomes closer. |
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Re: 3-way river with 2nd pair. Valuetown?
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[ QUOTE ] call flop [/ QUOTE ] I am 100% sure that would be a mistake [/ QUOTE ] not even 0.1% chance? [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img] |
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Re: 3-way river with 2nd pair. Valuetown?
If button really is that loose passive then bet the river and nh.
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