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Old 10-17-2007, 10:30 AM
Stalrock Stalrock is offline
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Default This bottom set can honestly be folded?

Alright the UTG raiser was TAG(18, 14, 2.8). The blind was 35, 16, 1.9). I really felt like this was a spot where I should fold my set based on the crazy action. The biggest sign was the BB re raise from 55 to 88. That screams set. The only draw was 4 5. What do you guys think? Is it safe to fold here?

Poker Stars, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

UTG: $193
MP: $275.35
Hero (CO): $328.40
BTN: $290.15
SB: $198
BB: $171.95

Pre-Flop: 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (CO)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $6</font>, MP folds, Hero calls $6, BTN calls $6, SB folds, BB calls $4

Flop: ($25) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">UTG bets $12</font>, Hero calls $12, BTN folds, <font color="red">BB raises to $24</font>, UTG calls $12, <font color="red">Hero raises to $55</font>, <font color="red">BB raises to $86</font>, <font color="red">UTG raises to $187 and is All-In</font>, <font color="red">Hero ???
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Old 10-17-2007, 10:38 AM
Imrahil Imrahil is offline
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Default Re: This bottom set can honestly be folded?

Meh, all in.
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Old 10-17-2007, 10:43 AM
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Default Re: This bottom set can honestly be folded?

who was UTG? your raise to 55 is kinda silly, i don't mind a fold
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Old 10-17-2007, 10:47 AM
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Default Re: This bottom set can honestly be folded?

I don't mind a fold as played.
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Old 10-17-2007, 10:48 AM
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Default Re: This bottom set can honestly be folded?

i don't think a fold is terrible here
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Old 10-17-2007, 10:50 AM
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Default Re: This bottom set can honestly be folded?

What's with all the min-raises?

And don't fold.
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Old 10-17-2007, 10:51 AM
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Default Re: This bottom set can honestly be folded?

Haven't answered any threads here before, but I'll try.

My first impression is: If there is ever a situation for folding a bottom set, this surely has to be one of them?

Whats your general impression of these guys?

Do you know if UTG raises all his pocket pairs? Since a lot of TAGs raise PPs, I think his play screams 9s or 3s. He makes what is supposed to be seen as a standard continuation bet, this doesn't rule out any hand really, but a good player would most likely do it with 9s and 3s, and hope for resistance. Then he sees you calling, and BB raise - so he calls, because he clearly wants both your stacks (if he has 3s or 9s). If he has a higher PP he might have reraised? Then you start raising, and BB raises again, and he sees that both of you have a very good hand - and THEN he goes all-in (after bet and a call).

Can't say much about him from just the stats, but I would normally (not that this situation is anything normal) put him on 3s or 9s. If I were him with 9s, I might have just called again though, to ensure you stay in.

And I haven't even thought about BB yet, though his preflop range is way bigger, he could have two pairs?

Am I way off?
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Old 10-17-2007, 10:52 AM
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Default Re: This bottom set can honestly be folded?

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What's with all the min-raises?

And don't fold.

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I dont know; i was just gettin cute.
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Old 10-17-2007, 10:55 AM
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Default Re: This bottom set can honestly be folded?

that raise to $55 is bad.. it shows you really like your hand and were slowplaying, or are a total donk. I think the only scenario in which you are winning here is when UTG has AA and BB has a really badly played JJ/QQ. Seems kinda far fetched.

You just call initially then make a weird $55 min raise over top of the reriase, and it gets reriased twice more. I'd fold 22.. with 33 I'd prolly make one of them show me 99.
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Old 10-17-2007, 11:59 AM
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Default Re: This bottom set can honestly be folded?

raise UTG's flop lead. since u just called, I call the min raise and get it in on any turn. as played......well who knows I'd never get here this way.
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