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Old 07-26-2007, 06:29 PM
Huggy Huggy is offline
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Default KK call CRAI on turn?

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UTG ($218.45)
MP ($41.40)
Hero ($290.35)
SB ($245)
BB ($208)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $6</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $20</font>, SB calls $19, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP folds.

Flop: ($48) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $34</font>, SB calls $34.

Turn: ($116) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $75</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $191</font>, Hero ???

Villian is 16/13/4.5 over 300 hands

The only reason i folded was i rembered "baluga theorem"
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Old 07-26-2007, 06:33 PM
Abramovic Abramovic is offline
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Default Re: KK call CRAI on turn?

Unfortunately you remembered baluga theorem very wrongly.

I 3bet more preflop, and probably call here.
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Old 07-26-2007, 06:38 PM
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Default Re: KK call CRAI on turn?

Reasons for calling, and what do we think villians range is?
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Old 07-26-2007, 06:39 PM
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Default Re: KK call CRAI on turn?

good fold
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Old 07-26-2007, 06:40 PM
Abramovic Abramovic is offline
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Default Re: KK call CRAI on turn?

I call because I almost always stack off with KK in a 3bet pot, but Id have 3bet bigger originally.

Range is player dependant obv: TT-AA, AK and others are possible with crazier players. With no reads its close because you 3bet small.
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Old 07-26-2007, 06:43 PM
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Default Re: KK call CRAI on turn?

i dont think i 3-bet small 3.5x (bit more) isnt small.. isit?
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Old 07-26-2007, 06:52 PM
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Default Re: KK call CRAI on turn?

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Unfortunately you remembered baluga theorem very wrongly.

I 3bet more preflop, and probably call here.

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You do know that SB CC the 3bet?

Given that I may just check the turn since you only really beat QQ (AJ?) here. His range is probably PP, AK, AJ maybe. The hands you beat WILL fold (other then QQ) and all others with raise
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Old 07-26-2007, 06:58 PM
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Default Re: KK call CRAI on turn?

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Unfortunately you remembered baluga theorem very wrongly.

I 3bet more preflop, and probably call here.

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You do know that SB CC the 3bet?

Given that I may just check the turn since you only really beat QQ (AJ?) here. His range is probably PP, AK, AJ maybe. The hands you beat WILL fold (other then QQ) and all others with raise

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yea i agree, i check behind the turn here. A check may induce him to vb AJ/QQ on the river and also what would you have done if he just called turn? Are you betting the river ? Do you think you can get 3 streets of value vs a tag?
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Old 07-26-2007, 07:03 PM
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Default Re: KK call CRAI on turn?

if he called turn im checking the river unless i improve.
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Old 07-26-2007, 07:17 PM
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Default Re: KK call CRAI on turn?

Perfect.
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