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Old 12-19-2006, 04:01 PM
jfk jfk is offline
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Default Middle pair, nut draw and a fade to black 30/60

online, 30/60 currently 7 handed.

Villain's numbers are 18/12.5/3. He's quite solid and I've regretted the times when I get loose. He uses position very well, though he does not seem to be a great hand reader. Has historically won money from me.

Folded to the hijack who raises
Hero calls from BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

Flop: 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

Hero: checks
Villain: bets
Hero: checkraises
Villain: 3 bets
Hero: calls


Turn: 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Hero: check
Villain: Bet
Hero: calls


River: T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
Hero: check
Villain: bet
Hero: fold

Final Pot: 7.5BB

Felt soft making the river fold in this pot but the flop three bet convinced me that he could at least show me a queen. Ruled out the turn raise due to being out of position. The hand felt wrong.

Perhaps a different line on the turn would've been merited but the pot didn't seem big enough to get out of line and he's unlikely to fold either an overpair or AQ. The turn 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] shouldn't be scary.

Comments appreciated. I assume the line taken is reasonably standard.
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Old 12-19-2006, 06:26 PM
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Default Re: Middle pair, nut draw and a fade to black 30/60

I play it the exact same except sometimes i call the river if he's been pushin me around.
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Old 12-19-2006, 11:40 PM
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Default Re: Middle pair, nut draw and a fade to black 30/60

Seems pretty reasonable to donk him on the turn after you hit the spade,but I like your play better.

You played it fine,imo.
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Old 12-20-2006, 06:19 AM
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Default Re: Middle pair, nut draw and a fade to black 30/60

Looks super reasonable to me. You can only beat AK and if he wants to play AK like that against you then you will get his money soon enough.
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Old 12-20-2006, 06:34 AM
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Default Re: Middle pair, nut draw and a fade to black 30/60

I play it the same. However, this also leads me to a possible conclusion that if villain is capable of a 3-bet bluff on the flop if he knows you check-raise light (like what you did) he may be killing you with nothing more than A8o [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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Old 12-21-2006, 12:01 PM
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Default Re: Middle pair, nut draw and a fade to black 30/60

Hand is 100% standard. Don't feel bad, you almost always lose on the river and regret not folding like you said you would on the turn if a spade, 7, or A didn't come on the river.
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Old 12-21-2006, 12:26 PM
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Default Re: Middle pair, nut draw and a fade to black 30/60

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I play it the same. However, this also leads me to a possible conclusion that if villain is capable of a 3-bet bluff on the flop if he knows you check-raise light (like what you did) he may be killing you with nothing more than A8o [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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this is "light"? vs a guy that uses position well we have pretty close to the nuts on the flop - if you dont like this flop you should fold pf. a light c/r here IMO would be like AJ.
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Old 12-21-2006, 03:33 PM
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Default Re: Middle pair, nut draw and a fade to black 30/60

I think A7 there is pretty strong. I think a checkraise light would be a hand such as 44. Even that's not super light. I agree with jba.
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Old 12-22-2006, 08:39 AM
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Default Re: Middle pair, nut draw and a fade to black 30/60

I see no other way to play it. His 3-bet on the flop makes the turn a C/F if not for the flush draw that keeps you in.
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