Review, Advanced Limit Holdem Strategy (Tanenbaum)

[Gonso]

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Comparing 2+2 to Cardoza just because there are personal grudges doesn't impress anyone. D&B lead the way for quality.

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Well, there is no real comparison between 2+2 and Cardoza whatsoever was my point. Further, the grudges don't concern me at and nothing I wrote has anything to do with trying to impress anyone. While Cardoza does have a few decent titles, most (for example Cloutier's books, and "Online Poker") are so bad that they speak volumes about their publishing standards.

If the grudge your talking about refers to the chips lose value issue with Snyder's book, what do you expect? Did Snyder ever concede his error?

D&B on the other hand have some very decent titles out of those I've read so far, even if their scope is pretty narrow (since they deal primarily with LHE and PLO). While the ones I've read are generally good, they're certainly not mindblowing. For example, I'm reading the "Secrets of PLO" book right now and Rolf is dragging on and on about shortstacking (and I'm a pretty good ways into the book).

Considering that 2+2 pretty much lays claim to the seminal works to several major forms of poker (notably excepting PLO, of course), I think D&B has a way to go. Maybe I have only read the lesser of the D&B releases and the rest will really astound me (I haven't read the book referred to in OP yet and have high hopes for it). For now though, none of the titles I've read, while good, rival the kind of depth you see in books like 7CSFAP, Zee's hi-lo book, ToP, Harrington's tourney series (etc.). I have read Hold 'em on the Come, the Pot Limit HE book and the "How Good is Your..." books, and reading the RS PLO book at the moments.

Now if you definition of "quality" refers to the number typos or something rediculous like that, well that's just not a concern for me, at least as a reader.

[JackCase]

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Now if you definition of "quality" refers to the number typos or something rediculous like that, well that's just not a concern for me, at least as a reader.

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Or as a writer, obviously. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

[Gonso]

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Now if you definition of "quality" refers to the number typos or something rediculous like that, well that's just not a concern for me, at least as a reader.

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Or as a writer, obviously. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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If you're going to criticize someone's writing (over a typo or two on a message board), you might want to at least read up on sentence fragments. Then, afterwards, that smiley face of yours can lick my [censored], and then [censored] my [censored].

Anyway, my point (prior to getting pulled over by the spelling police) was that I can forgive a few typos in a book with very good poker content, as opposed to a slick-looking POS.

Sure it's irritating to design a cover for something and then see errors on it (which often occur at the print shop, by the way), but does it really distract you from learning? Didn't you ever see mistakes in school textbooks before? I know a lot of people buy poker books only to admire them on a bookshelf, but that's not their purpose. Mine have writing in the margins, highlighter marks everywhere, some have clear packing tape on the bindings (etc.).

To put the thread back on track, I'm interested in other people's reviews. I plan on devoting some serious time to this and re-reading WITGH. I'd also love to see the Zee/Fromm book published somewhere, maybe D&B can jump on that.

[benfranklin]

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If the grudge your talking about refers to the chips lose value issue with Snyder's book, what do you expect? Did Snyder ever concede his error?



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I wasn't aware that Snyder was ever shown to be in error on that issue. Do you have any links or references showing that Snyder was wrong? (Snyder's initial assertions on this in his book were qualitative rather than quantitative, but later work by others back up his arguments with math.)

[daveT]

It has been a while since I read Positively Fifth Street, but McManus makes a reference to Cloutier saying bad things about MM and DS in his book, which is published by Cardoza. I don't recall MM saying anything out and out bad about Cardoza. In fact he gives the SS1 and SS2 10s.

[fraac]

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If the grudge your talking about refers to the chips lose value issue with Snyder's book, what do you expect? Did Snyder ever concede his error?

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I was alluding to Mason's frequent veiled references to inferior rivals. I assumed he meant Cardoza and there was a history of animosity. No one except Mason takes Cardoza books seriously. D&B are the competition.

[Mason Malmuth]

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I was alluding to Mason's frequent veiled references to inferior rivals.

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I'm always curious where stuff like this comes from. I don't think you'll be able to produce one reference.

As for D&B, it's always been our intent to steer our readers towards what's good no matter who is the publisher and away from that which is questionable. We allow D&B to post here and talk about their products, and have already given good reviews to some of them.

MM