Throwing Someone Else Under the Bus -- Foxwoods 20/40

[W. Deranged]

Deranged is SB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].

MP1 is a standard Foxwoods 20/40 player-- a bit too loose (probably 25% vpip), a bit too passive (particularly on the big bet streets), and has the tendency to trap everything. He doesn't chase hopelessly, and maybe is about median or above in overall skill for the table.

CO is Little Bus, a good (if hopelessly dim-witted) tag with whom I have traded countless hands. He happens to be on a sick heater at the moment.

Pre-flop (10 players): three folds, MP1 calls, one fold, Bus raises, one fold, Deranged calls, BB calls.

Flop: (4 players, 8 sb): J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

Deranged checks, BB checks, MP1 checks, Bus bets, Deranged check-raises, BB folds, MP1 calls.

Turn (3 players, 7 bb): 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

Deranged checks, MP1 checks, Bus bets, Deranged folds...

[The DaveR]

I like 3-betting LB preflop. He's pretty honest and he has a tendency to peel less than optimally, and he'd think you're less likely to 3-bet given the limper and I very much don't want the BB in there.

[brettbrettr]

I'd probably re-pop him pre-flop. The flop looks fine.

[private joker]

Not crazy about the turn fold -- is it too much to hope for that MP1 has a hand like A2s or 44, and Bus has 66/77 or AdKd? I guess I'd like the fold better if you had bet and gotten raised.

Did you decide, after MP1 cold-called the flop c/r, that you weren't putting any more $ in the pot?

[Barry]

I thought that I knew everybody and everybody's nickname but Little Bus is a new one on me.

Anyway, MP1 calling 2 cold on the flop sets off all kinds of warning bells and bus calling the raise is not good for your 88. Good play on the turn and tell me, MP1 c/r's right?

[W. Deranged]

Barry,

We're not really Foxwoods regulars anymore ... Little Bus is a friend of mine from school / NYC. We got there this weekend, though.

I am glad you agree with the play, as you probably have the best sense of the game dynamics I was feeling when I made the play. I'll hold off on giving results for a bit, though.

[Moneyline]

Preflop: I would 3bet this and get it head up. Calling won't give you enough players for your odds to be correct to flop a set, so you might as well drive out opponents and give yourself a better chance of winning the pot when overcards flop.

Postflop: Given how you played the hand preflop and on the flop, I think you have to check/fold the turn. The board is so dry that it doesn't make sense for MP1 to call you with any hand that doesn't have you beat except maybe a passively played 77 or 66.

The key street here was preflop.

Just my opinion...

[The DaveR]

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Preflop: I would 3bet this and get it head up.

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That's not happening.

[blindside]

cold calls on a paired unconnecting board from passive player = alarm bells.... though occasionally you'll see something like 77 here but i imagine you're beat by lil bus if anything....

[*TT*]

Although I wouldn't describe Lil Bus as dimwitted, he is very straightforward post flop, not very creative at all and therefore easy to gauge the value of his hand. Combine this with his wide open hand range in the CO I prefer to 3-bet pre-flop even with the limper in the pot.

I would play the flop & turn the same as you.

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